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For example, we know the Apollo spacecraft existed

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And it was on a computerscreen in Insurrection:

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Apollo 11
Humanity in space

Early space exploration expedition
Launched from Earth in July 1963, the first mission to send humans to Earth's moon. The spacecraft was launched by a huge chemically fueled rocket known as a Saturn V. Apollo 11 astronauts Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin became the first humans to set foot on another world. Describing the achievment as "One small step for (a) man, one giant leap for mankind." The craft was injected onto translunar trajectory just 1.1 seconds later than predicted, and the trajectory again was so accurate that there was no need to make an early mid-course correction. Saturn 5 was a tribute to the industrial wealth of the United States. Only the richtest of nations could afford carriers on the scale of Saturn, even the highly advanced nations had found it advisable to pool thier resources for more modest space programs. An almost utopian city, Mojave is located in the southwestern region of the North American continent, the area boasts sparkling cities surrounded by wide belts of

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Enterprise type
2) The strange ring structure, where the ring obviously houses the propulsion system, doesn't fit into the Federation design lineage. The ship, however, looks very similar to the Vulcan Surak class. It is possible that humans acquired one or more Vulcan ships, which would explain the name "Enterprise". It is also possible that it is a prototype ship built by humans, inspired by Vulcan technology. If this is so, the project was obviously a failure, considering that all known later Federation starship designs have the familiar nacelles again.
3) If the SS Enterprise (note that the prefix SS is only conjectural) is no Starfleet ship, there is no naming conflict, and it may have been in service at any time prior to 2271 when it appeared in TMP.
4) The Star Trek Chronology suggests that the SS Enterprise should have been a 300m long starliner for 800 passengers. As Paul Cargile pointed out some time ago, this is complete bogus. At 300m, the bow section would be smaller than the Defiant, and imagine 800 people on such a small ship!

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Also, although I agree with the 2050s placement of the Eugenics Wars, they were definitely mentioned in "Doctor Bashir, I Presume", and possibly in three other TNG or DS9 eps as well. This is what I found in the scripts -- however, I don't have all the eps on tape, so I can only confirm the reference from "Doctor Bashir....":

                 
"Doctor Bashir, I Presume":
	I don't think so. Two hundred
			years ago, we tried to "improve"
			the species through DNA
			resequencing and what did we get
			for our trouble? The Eugenics
			Wars. For every Julian Bashir
			that can be created, there's a
			Khan Singh waiting in the wings --
			a "superhuman" whose ambition and
			thirst for power have been
			enhanced along with his intellect.
			The law against genetic
			engineering provides a firewall
			against such men and it's my job
			to keep that firewall intact.
				(to Richard)
			I've made my offer. Do you accept?
"Statistical Probabilities":
                              	BASHIR
			It happened before. People like 
			us did try to take over.
					JACK 
			I knew it! I knew you were going 
			to trot out the Eugenics Wars.

"Up the Long Ladder":
	RIKER
			How could a spaceship leave Earth
			without some kind of a record?
					DATA
			Perhaps it was deliberate. They
			may have wished to escape
			detection.
					RIKER
			You're suggesting they were
			fugitives?
					DATA
			During the Eugenics Wars a group
			of genetically superior humans
			ruled the world. After their
			defeat some did escape.

"A Matter of Time":
	PICARD
				(interrupting)
			I know, Professor, "What if one
			of those lives I save down there
			is a child who grows up to be the
			next Adolf Hitler or Khan Singh?"
					(MORE)

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I suppose Paramount at one point realized the sheer amount of intellectual property unleashed on these CD-ROMS, and decided to keep quiet...Seriously, if I hadn't heard about them from David Henderson and seen one at a Virgin store, I wouldn't have known they existed.