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That still doesn't explain "Starship Down" and "The Adversary". Furthermore, in "One Little Ship", the same question -- why take the turbolift to the bridge if you could've easily taken the ladder. Are they that lazy?
I'm leaning towards a zoomed-in MSD explanation because it also explains a few other things, including the placements of launchers and impulse engines. Besides, it's just a background graphic, like the one on the Enterprise-B.
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My school is laid out like a gothic dungeon, and i always use the elevators, to avoid the awful stairs. My normal route in is to
Enter at the music building, to avoid going up the ramp to the upper commons (its steep and full of people every AM). Take the elevator up one floor to the theatre hall. Walk across the breezeway to the main building. Walk across the commons to the far side Take the fast elevator up one floor to the second floor. Go to the computer lab.
Maybe theyre just lazy like me, i take two separate elevators just to avoid manual climbing. And my school is only a little longer than the Defiant (im not sure if its taller.. its six floors ;-) )
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I was sort of thinking the same thing as what Dax said (our fellow forum-ite...not the beautiful Trill). If the Four Decks account for only the main body of the ship, the little hangy downs in the nacelle "wings" could be deck five. Maybe even Deck six. IIRC, there are at least two rows of windows on the inside of those wings.
Personally, I think the model was designed with those windows without adequate knowledge of how big the ship was or where everything was located. But they're still there...
I'm guessing they're just porthole style windows, but I wonder what they even are. We know that even the captain's quarters don't have windows.
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Yes, I agree, but the point is to make every episode fit nicely, not sacrifice any plot points because of a background schematic.
"Starship Down" is pretty clear about the bridge being inaccessible from the Engineering lower level, as I explained in my initial post. If it hadn't been, there would've been no way to keep Kira and Sisko separate from the rest of the crew. Either Kira or O'Brien or someone would've tried to phaser their way through to the others. Instead, Kira's sitting on the bridge all the time, while O'Brien is saying "They all must be dead up there." Crewman Stevens specifically mentions some generators "compensating for the hull breach on Deck 2". When Deck 2 is sealed initially, nobody mentions the people in Engineering.
Later on, I'm sure the writers realized that any scenes such as this one would look funny:
INT. ENGINEERING (CONT'D) where Sisko is talking to Kira and O'Brien
SISKO
So, everything clear?
KIRA
Yessir.
O'BRIEN
Aye sir.
Sisko goes off into the background and starts climbing the ladder to the upper level. While Jake's old man is climbing in the background...
KIRA
Alright, so how about the phaser couplings?
O'BRIEN
Haven't fixed them yet, sorry...
I believe there are door signs about Engineering being on Deck 2, but "Starship Down" makes a plot point out of Engineering being lower down. That can't really be ignored.
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Today I rewatched the entire episodes of both "Starship Down" and "One Little Ship". There's a couple of things that got my attention.
In "Starship Down" there's a scene in engineering where O'Brien asks one of his people to fetch something from the cargo bay. Moments later it cuts to the very next scene and we witness the same guy get cleaned up by the deck 2 hull breach. It's not solid proof but it does give the impression that engineering is on deck 2.
In "One Little Ship" there's a scene where the Jem'hadar 2nd takes Sisko in a turbolift so the later can help the former restore warp power in engineering. The Jem'hadar tells the turbolift to go to "deck 2, section 5". The next time we see Sisko he's in engineering. Now, later when the runabout is exiting engineering, we can clearly see the door label - it reads "02 05".
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Of course for those not familar with the Sternbach system of ship sections... 02-05 would be deck 2 section 5. The problem with this though is that the Defiant should have the 36 section pie like the E-D saucer, and not the fore-aft division that the E-D secondary had.
Anyway, it's obvious that the Defiant's system for sections is not the pie system. The reason for this is that section 5 would be fore-starboard not aft. Which can only lead to the conclusion that sections on the Defiant are from fore to aft, probably 1-6 [if 5 is main engineering, then 6 would probably be the impulse engines].
That ends this totally useless technobabble--- thank you.
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Of course, if we assumed that, it would mean that the door was missing a room number. So, either there are no section numbers, and it was just "deck 2, room 5" (which would make sense, since it's such a small ship), or the sections are irregular, and engineering itself comprises "section 5" of deck 2 (which is also possible, but makes less sense).
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quote:4) A six-deck turbolift schematic with a complete description of every deck, visible in the turbolift in "Adversary" (though I'm not sure if the descriptions are visible).
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