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I'm currently expanding my ship list with ships from The Animated Series. I'd like to know if any registries were visible on-screen.
(Shut up about TAS being non-canon etc.! Please!)
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Aside from this question, is it correct that FJ's "Bonhomme Richard" class is a Constitution variant? The USS Merrimack from ST:TMP's Director's Edition is supposed to have taken from FJ's Star Fleet Technical Manual, where it is identified as a ship of this class.
Alpha Centauri
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Thanks Masao.
Harry: It's supposedly in the Director's Edition of The Motion Picture. I have no idea where and when; I can't confirm anything myself, because I've only seen the 'regular' version.
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The "Cruiser Merrimack NCC-1715" can be clearly heard on the TMP:DE if you have surround sound and listen to the right speakers. It's in the background chatter of Epsilon IX. There's also a shuttlecraft mentioned as well.
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I'll listen to the chatter again, then . So there's the two scouts (Revere and Columbia, IIRC), the dreadnaught Entente and the cruiser Merrimack. I see that it's listed as U.S.S. Merrimac (oh boy, without a k!) NCC-1715 by Franz Joseph as a Constitution (well, actually a Bonhomme Richard) class ship.
And I still don't get it why there are about three million Constitution sub-classes that look EXACTLY the same or have at most a few extra useless hull details.
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Two reasons: Franz Schnaubel, plus Jeffries and Probert didn't bother to properly shred and burn their early doodles after they had nailed down their respective Constitution designs.
I'm sorta waiting for somebody to invent "classes" for the ca. 529 ship and space station pencil studies we see in "Making of ST:DS9"...
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Some of those would actually make nice interstellar outposts for other races or abandoned space cities or some such...
Regarding FJ, he admitted he was never a Trek fan. He did all that he did as a combination of intellectual exercise and a treat for his daughter and her Trekkie friends. Kirk's "only a dozen like her" comment either was never heard, or was interpreted very loosely by FJ. Besides, if you look at the Tech Manual listing, it says all the Achernar-class ships are "authorized" -- but not yet built. Besides also, they'd really stop at NCC-1799. That's my story and I'm stickin' with it!
I personally have no problem with all the near-Enterprise sketches representing other ships' refit status or mission-specific mods at various points. I mean, however long the class was in production, I highly doubt the last new-build Constitution off the blocks was identical to the prototype back c.2243...
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TAS takes the cake for the Fewest Starships-in-a-Series award. Here is the complete list:
-U.S.S. Enterprise, NCC-1701 (Duh!) -U.S.S. Potemkin, NCC-1657 ("The Pirates of Orion") -U.S.S. Huron, NCC-F1913 ("The Pirates of Orion") -S.S. Bonaventure, NCC-S2100 ("The Time Trap") -S.S. Ariel ("The Eye of the Beholder") -Name unknown NCC-G1465 ("More Tribbles, More Troubles") -Name unknown NCC-G1495 ("More Tribbles, More Troubles")
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1. Obviously, a Constitution-class vessel under the command of Captain James T. Kirk, finishing the final two years (2269-2270) of the 5-yr mission started in TOS (2266-2269).
2. The same ship as from TOS and TUC, mentioned but not seen. It transferred the medical supplies to the Huron for delivery to the Enterprise.
3. A freighter under command of Captain O'Shea, carrying dilithium and medical supplies in 2270, attacked and raided by Orion pirates on SD 6334.1. (The ship was verbally called S.S. Huron in the episode, but the hull bore a "U.S.S." prefix. Before Masao dug up some clearer pics, the registry was previously thought to be NCC-F1313. Non-canon sources hold the ship to be of the Independence-class.)
4. An older Starfleet vessel, apparently a precursor to the Constitution-class, that was lost in the mysterious area of space called the Delta Triangle, and was discovered by the U.S.S. Enterprise on SD 5267.3. (The Bonaventure seems to have caused a lot of fuss for some people. In the episode, Scotty uttered the line: "There's the old Bonaventure. She was the first ship to have warp drive installed!" Many people take this as a contradiction to the facts we now know about the beginnings of Earth's warp era. There is no reason, however, why Scotty could not have merely meant it was the first Federation vessel to have warp drive installed, or some other semantic explanation like that. [In fact, this would make sense, since the ship was clearly adorned with SF sinage of the same style as the 1701. Certainly no more difficult to circumvent than his line about Romulan warp drive in "Balance of Terror" [TOS]. The Bonaventure is commonly held to be of the Bonaventure-class, which makes sense as it was clearly spoken of as if it were the first of its kind. It is also accepted that the ship bears and S.S. prefix but, like the Huron, this may be erroneous. [On the other hand, it may make sense, considering that from ENT we're seeing that SF used that prefix in its early years. Of course they'll al argue with me, but I don't really care. ])
5. The crew of the science vessel Ariel went missing in 2270 while in orbit of Lactra VII and the Enterprise crew were dispatched to search for them on SD 5501.2. (Again, the 'S.S.' prefix may be incorrect, or it may not. The ship was never seen onscreen, and as it was a science vessel it may indeed properly have an S.S. prefix, however the crew was seen to wear SF uniforms, so it's definitely a SF ship.)
6. One of two unmanned SF robot cargo drone vessels escorted to Sherman's Planet by the Enterprise in 2269 on SD 5392.4. (No name was mentioned, but the NCC was readable off the hull.)
7. The other of the two vessels mentioned above.
Hope that helps.
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For the obsessive-compulsive among us, two minor nitpicks:
1) Lest somebody minsunderstand, the registry of the Potemkin was not mentioned in the TAS episode in any way.
2) The name "Bonaventure" wasn't exactly shown to be associated with the ship NCC-S2100 which floated prominently on the main viewer of the Enterprise. Sure, it was heavily implied. But it's also possible that NCC-S2100 was just some newish piece of space junk that was partially obscuring our view of the real historic Bonaventure...
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Don't be lazy in making up interpretations. It's as if I were to say, "Hey, look at the XX, she was the first ship to have a wooden frame and sails," while in reality meaning the first perfectly normally equipped ship built after the U.S. was established. You're making Scotty sound stupidly patriotic.
If it really was the first vessel to have warp drive installed after the Phoenix (and let's keep this in perspective -- how long would it be before such a vessel was constructed in Cochrane's conditions: years? a decade?) it could've been kept alive for almost a hundred years as a symbol. At some later point, it would receive the NCC-S2100 registry number and Starfleet markings, then disappear.
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The problem is that we're trying to find justifications for things that don't need to be justified.
The Bonaventure, for example: It is quite clearly the Enterprise-looking ship on the viewscreen that Scotty refers to as the Bonaventure, not any other ship in the background. And Scotty clearly says that it is "the first ship to have warp drive installed." Period. So now we all try to find some rational explanation as to how this contradiction can be explained with events seen in FC. However...
In a TAS standpoint, there's no reason to assume that this ship was built in the 2060's, just because that's when FC showed us the Phoenix launch. When TAS was being made, there was no backstory concerning the early days of the Federation, warp drive inventing, etc. For all the TAS writers & artists knew, the Federation's founding & discovery of warp drive came about only 20 years before Kirk's time, based on the fact that the Bonaventure looks so similar to the Enterprise. And of course, as Star Trek continued it's live-action spinoffs and movies, the validity of the information presented in TAS became more & more unusable. This is the sort of thing that made TPTB decide to "de-canonize" TAS.
I understand that explanations can be made up for just about any inconsistency, such as people who say that what Scotty "really meant to say" was that the Bonaventure was the first "Federation ship" to have Warp drive installed. But again, events in Series Five will most likely show this to be wrong. The most rational explanation, of course, is to just say that TAS isn't official anymore, which is exactly what they did.
Note: This is not a TAS-bash thread. I've never even seen an episode of TAS, so for all I know, it could be the greatest ST series ever. I'm just going by the information that was presented in the show.
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. So there's the two scouts (Revere and Columbia, IIRC), the dreadnaught Entente and the cruiser Merrimack. I see that it's listed as U.S.S. Merrimac (oh boy, without a k!) NCC-1715 by Franz Joseph as a Constitution (well, actually a Bonhomme Richard) class ship.![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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