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PsyLiam
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I vote for Dexter verses Professor Stephen Hawking.

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Powerpuff Girls versus three of the first Sailor Scouts.

Serious though, Guardian, why are you limiting yourself to Federation and Starfleet for the matchup? It's not very fair for ST, considering that there are decidingly less factions in SW, so all technology in existence are held by the old and new Republic, the Rebels, or the Empire and there for apply in the comparison. If it is really a ST versus SW comparison, then all main races of ST should be able to participate.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mucus:
Why hasn't anyone attempted to compare Shakespeare and Dickens by dropping Romeo and Oliver Twist into "Mortal Kombat"?

Well, see, first you have to get Shakespeare's Canon Policy. Otherwise, pro-Dickens debaters could come in bringing up all kinds of crap about "industrialization" and such, when we know from the Expanded Shakespeare that Romeo actually was armed not with a sword, but with a 9mm pistol.

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quote:
Originally posted by David Templar:

Serious though, Guardian, why are you limiting yourself to Federation and Starfleet for the matchup?

Part of it is convention. Most of the online debates focus on, for example, a Galaxy vs. an Imperial Star Destroyer, or Federation vs. Empire.

Part of it is the fact that, though outnumbered, I don't think we'd need help. ;-)

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A vain attempt at returning to the subject at hand:

Picard could probably have replicated AND charged a disruptor just as easily as he got the tommy-gun. We've seen that phaser-type weapons can be replicated and then fired, in DS9 "Civil Defense". A Cardassian replicator first created the weapon, then fed a brief pulse of glowing something into it, and the weapon then started shooting around at anything non-Cardassian in the vicinity.

And my original point was that even a "fake" holo-disruptor would have been just as good as the (fake/real) tommy-gun, merely because it was different from phasers and thus surprised the Borg. A wiffle bat or a sharpened avocado would probably have done the trick, too.

And now back to our scheduled diversions:

The nature of a "hopper" was not completely clarified in DS9 "Nor the Battle". There's a second reference to "hoppers", though - in "Peak Performance" LaForge mentions a "water hopper".

Now, these two mentions are COMPLETELY DISSIMILAR from the writers' point of view. In "Peak Performance", the writer was quite obviously postulating a vehicle that would literally hop around, so that when one popped the clutch on that one, the results would be reallyspectacular. In turn, in "Nor the Battle" the writer was using a word that resembles "chopper" in order to evoke a post-Vietnam war movie type of feeling.

However, from the POV of the audience, it makes sense to assume that these two "hoppers" were variations on a common theme. Which means that there are "water" hoppers in addition to "regular" hoppers. Which in turn suggests a rather sub-orbital role for the craft - it would be pretty silly to build space-capable craft in separate "land" and "water" variants. (TAS "aquashuttles" withstanding!)

If the vehicle is primitive enough to have a "clutch", I suggest something vastly "inferior" to a shuttle. The difference between a shuttle and a hopper could be that between a helicopter and a tank. The latter does not fly (into space), but the sacrifice makes it more combatworthy in other ways.

A "hopper" IMHO should have gotten its name from the fact that it "hops". And hops mechanically or physically, given the clutch, not e.g. through transporter magic. Like a frog, it considers ground or water its natural environment, and only utilizes air for changing its location every now and then. This would make it very different from a "shuttle" or an "aircraft", so different that we could safely postulate a whole family of dissimilar vehicles that would all still warrant the very specific designation "hopper". The water hopper LaForge mentioned would probably be a recreational vehicle of some sort, while the one in "Nor the Battle" would not...

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Actually, I would say that they should be different. Like you said, the "water hopper" is probably recreational, and literally hops along the surface of the water.

However, I suspect the military "hopper" is just a transport vehicle. The name would come from the fact that it "hops" (not literally) from one location on the planet to another. It may even go from point to point to point to point w/o stopping longer than to drop people off/pick people up. Thus, it would metaphorically resemble an insect or something that's hopping around.

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Lee
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Weren't there Federation phaser rifles which were shown to have been created in a Romulan replicator in "The Mind's Eye?"

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I believe so, but that may have been one of the "industrial replicators" we hear about from time to time which are, apparently, vastly more complicated than the ordinary kind.
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i think Holmes would beat Miss Marple. but would his wallet say "bad motherfucker"? that is the question.
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Do Borg bleed? The reason I ask is that the two Borg killed in the simulation didn't bleed.
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We haven't seen a Borg bleed. With all the nanoprobes in the supposed bloodstream, any leak will probably be blocked far more rapidly and efficiently than without the said probes...

Miss Marple would bludgeon the sorry little twerp to pulp with her handbag when he's high on whatever he's smoking or needling in that day, strangle him with his own violin strings, and bury him in a sewer. Then she'd rape Dr Watson with a turnip.

The fake Federation rifles were manufactured by the Romulans by unknown methods, requiring an unknown length of manufacturing time, and they were energized separately afterwards, using a Romulan power source (which is what gave the ploy away). So that's not really an argument in favor of "Picard could just have ordered the holodeck to replicate a loaded phaser for him".

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i have to disagree. holmes would strangle her with her own underwear (using the deer stalker to muffle her cries) and then violate her corpse while he takes bites out of Watson's back.
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