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Indeed. How did "The Ship" end, BTW? The female Vorta was not killed, even though her forces committed suicide, right? She reported back to the Dominion that an intact battlebug was lying around, right? And then Sisko tractored it up and towed it back to Alpha, right? So the Dominion should have been aware that one of their ships was in enemy hands. Perhaps several were, but this one was on a pretty important report delivered by a reliable Vorta, and unlikely to be forgotten under the piles of paperwork.
Clearly, the loss of this vessel didn't prompt the Dominion into any action. Perhaps they just don't cry for spilled milk and lost tech secrets, and weren't smart enough to suspect infiltration ops (which were their own speciality, so perhaps they had a blind spot there).
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Wellll...the Federation did nothing provocative with the 'bug and the Dominion was busy setting things up with Cardassia...so who knows? ...also the 'bug may have had some kind of transponder marking that was referenced like a licence plate at the white facility: that would explain why the facility raised it's shields, somewhere there was the Dominion version of a "most wanted" poster in the computer files.
.....or they thought the 'bug was (almost)on par with Federation tech and of no real consequence. The Dominion is more advanced than the Federation but not by more than a few decades it seems.
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If the ship was built post-war its completely logical that it would borrow heavily from the positive design traits of all ships that the Romulan fleet encountered.
Afterall, look at how similar the 4th generation planes of the USA and the USSR were in terms of both looks and capability.
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4th generation would be F/A-18 and MiG-27/Su-27, right? (What else did the US have in the 4th gen category? The F-16?)
Not too much commonality there. Twin engines and twin tails, all right - but the Russian planes had supersonic intakes, a blended wing/hull like the older US F-15 but unlike the Hornet, and this fancy high-angle-of-attack capacity. The planes did look a bit like an F-18 in top-down satellite photos, though.
Starship builders seem to have much more liberty in choosing differing yet practical development paths than aircraft or naval ship builders. One would think that the Romulans would merely internally install whatever they stole from the others, while only minimally altering the exterior. This also jibes with how the VFX people treated "improved" ships in older Treks, out of practical necessity.
But now CGI makes it possible for ship designs to be altered drastically, or minimally, or to any degree between those. What would be the Trek-internal reason for the change? Why would ship designs suddenly become more "flexible" that way, and why would the old practice of adding external modules (that look suspiciously like altered-scale parts from other starships, aircraft or motorbikes!) or packing new stuff in old hulls be abandoned?
Would the big war simply stimulate an otherwise stagnant ship-designing business, perhaps?
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Well, let's see. The introduction of CGI would have had the following theoretical effects, assuming they can be observed onscreen:
1) Increase the diversity of basic classes by simplifying the building of new models. Examples: Equinox, Prometheus, Raven, etc.
2) Minimize obvious "refits" between individual members of a class by making damages to models nearly impossible and consequent repairs unnecessary. However, one may observe less obvious changes in lines, details and proportions as the modellers continue to tinker with their creations or rebuild models in different software.
3) Alter and standardize the composition of Starfleet by selecting certain models and maintaining the set throughout the shows.
4) Slightly change the characteristics of their motion with respect to the camera, as well as explosions.
So yes, the design and tactical departments do seem more active, not surprisingly given the relative superiority of Dominion and Borg, which can only be defeated by new designs or old designs with radical alterations. Everybody else poses a relatively constant and predictable threat.
Naturally, the increased design activity would necessarily trickle down into non-combat designs, as evidenced by the pathfinder/Nova story.
I don't think it's a coincidence -- if it weren't for the fleet shots, the CGI people would not have been hired on DS9. On the other hand, the new "Voyager" designs are probably a side effect of the consistent need for alien ships of the week, which can only be done well in CGI.
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....yeah, too bad that some of the least real looking ships in Trek came from Voyager: the Krenim patrol and warship and the Nihidron are awful and two dimensional...as are the Hirogin hunter ships. I think It's either hit or miss with the CGI in Trek....and it sure dosent stop them from copying their own stuff: look at Enterprise!
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....yeah, too bad that some of the least real looking ships in Trek came from Voyager: the Krenim patrol and warship and the Nihidron are awful and two dimensional...as are the Hirogin hunter ships. I think It's either hit or miss with the CGI in Trek....and it sure dosent stop them from copying their own stuff: look at Enterprise!
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Unless they captured this Dominion battleship while it was being built during the final stages of the war, I cannot see how you can capture a ship that could be 'three times more powerful than a Galaxy'.
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As the Dominion pulled back to Cardassia, some of their installations and ship repair facilities could have fallen to the Romulans....and with them the plans to some of their technology......although I really doubt anybody brought down one of the Battleships, much less captured one! It would take the crew from several Warbird sized ships to sieze a Battleship that size full of pissed Jem'Hadar. ...and you know the Jem'Hadar don't flinch at suicide runs....
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Let's see now, Starfleet took their brand spankin' new Prometheus class starship, loaded with the best of everything, put a skeletal crew onboard, and then proceed to fly it around unescorted near the Romulan NZ where it promptly gets captured by a small band of Romulans.
No, I could not possibly see the Dominions doing this simply because The Script writes them as a bunch of logic-deprived idiots. Because, you know, those Jem'Hadars have the ability to defy idiotic scripts. Or something.
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