quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: Disregarding the silly fandom "Achernar" and "Bonhomme Richard" subclass ideas, Kazeite is quite correct in pointing out that the plans represent the U.S.S. Constitution, the prototype of the class, and it is very reasonable to assume any discrepancies with other individual ships (such as the Enterprise) are simply that---individual variances in the design of individual ships.
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Actually, I like the subclass idea. So long as it's made clear that they're all still Constitution class, the subclass idea makes sense. It's easier to remember and discuss than the real-life version. For example, Arleigh Burke class DDGs are known as Flight I, Flight II, and Flight IIAlfa to show the various versions built. Constitution, BHR, Achernar, etc are easier to remember and make a more complete mental picture.
edit: going back to the real world, there are examples of sub-classes with different names. 1) Kidd class destroyers. Four ships built for the Shah of Iran, to high end Spruance specs, with added air filtration. When turned over to the Navy, instead of delivering them to Khomeini, they were named Kidd class, not added to the rolls of Spruances.
2) YF-12A, A-12, SR-71 were all differnt. Only the SR-71 saw production, and therefore got a name, but each had different designations, so may have received different names if they had been produced (one of LBJ's many fucked up decisions, IMO).
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quote:Originally posted by Harry: Let's use this thread for something else (you might want to move this to the Tech forum).
Deck 4 - I never thought about water tanks, actually. But you would need have a lot of water for 400+ people... Does the TNGTM mention anything water?
But what's up with all those "Personal Isolation Cells" placed in every unused corner?
Deck 8 - Gardens? I bet that space could be used for something a bit more useful.
Oh, and wasn't there a very primitive holodeck-like room in TAS somewhere?
Gardens would be an absolute necessity in a starship, simply to provide a sanity-helping touch of green.
Personal isolation cells would be one way to give folks some privacy, although the Enterprise does provide far more personal space than any real world military ship.
Yes, TAS had a holo rec room. It wasn't supposed to be solid, but temperature controls allowed a snowstorm in one ep. In one of the Foster adaptations, IIRC, I think mention was made of a fencing robot draped in a hologram of a fencer for Sulu to spar with.
Water tankage makes sense to me, but I think the TNGTM simply assumes the replicators take care of that.
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Another oddity I found on both the general plans and the TM. There's no science station on the bridge . It's called the Command Intelligence station or somesuch militaristic nonsense.
Oh and "Personal Isolation Room" sounded like a brig to me... or else something I'd rather not think about.
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One wonders if D2O could be used instead. Oxidizing some of the ship's fuel could be a relatively simple and robust way to provide water.
The USS Constitution blueprints indeed have minimal space dedicated to engines and weapon systems, which makes them look downright silly. One could perhaps say that NCC-1700 was not a fully operational starship but instead a very lightly armed and underpowered one, testing the spaceframe for later ships that carried heavier gear. Instead of (or in addition to) the dinky little torp throwers below the bridge, NCC-1701 would have a more TNG-sized primary launcher or three at the canonical place, etc.
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quote:Originally posted by Timo: The USS Constitution blueprints indeed have minimal space dedicated to engines and weapon systems, which makes them look downright silly. One could perhaps say that NCC-1700 was not a fully operational starship but instead a very lightly armed and underpowered one, testing the spaceframe for later ships that carried heavier gear.
Or perhaps it's a combination of two things: first, that Franz Joseph overestimated how advanced TOS's technology was, and went a bit overboard with the miniaturization; and second, that TNG was designed with a 20th century audience in mind, so everything's a bit bulkier than it might be just so the audience can relate to it - and thus, tiny phaser arrays and warp engines that use minute quantities of fuel got retconned out of existance.
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. It's called the Command Intelligence station or somesuch militaristic nonsense.
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