quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: 150 fighters is a bit much. I did an analysis of the GCS main shuttlebay a while back, and we proved that it should be able to support 12 fighters easily, space-wise. Wish I could remember where I put that piture...
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Where does the 150 fighters figure come from? The article I saw with Jaeger just said "fighters", not "X number of fighters". Personally, I like the idea of the Akira being a carrier, but only a standard wing or half of a wing, not a complete space force of fighter craft.
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quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: Doesn't matter much wether warp capability would dictate if they're ACTUALLY based on a ship; odds are that they wouldn't be very fast regardless. Shuttles are warp capable, and are stationed on starships all the time.
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true, but i think the independance (or dependance) of a vessel on a mothership is an important feature.. shuttlecraft seem unable to venture out on more than a couple of interstellar jaunts, while larger ships that are classified as independant are able to bounce from star to star without ever returning to a base, runabouts for example. i submit that the fighters seen are probably more similar to runabouts or data's scout than they are to a shuttle.. a shuttle sized fighter would be a completely different animal, and more likely to be carried rather than go under its own power.
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quote:Originally posted by Sol System: *: Multiple warp flashes are one of my favorite little details, and one way to see the evolution of special effects is to note how we almost never saw more than one ship go to warp before Enterprise, with the exception of Generations. In fact, was Generations the first time we saw more than one flash at a time?
I believe so. It should be noted though that the ships at the end were all models, and not CGI. At that time there was a bit of an evolution in the warp "stretch" effect. The original Ent-D shots all had the stretch effect, but they used a small model and the combined talents of ILM. When they got to doing the DS9 runabout warp effects, they cheated slightly and had the ship "smear" rather than stretch.
Then along comes Generations, and it's fancy-schmancy CGI Enterprise-D, which was used for all the warp effects, since the elastic-band effect was relatively easy to do in CGI. However, since they didn't have CGI models of the Nebula, Oberth and Miranda models, they could do an easy stretch-snap effect. So they didn't. The ships don't stretch at all.
The early Defiant warp shots also show the smear effect rather than the stretch-snap effect, but after that, with CGI becoming more common, they all now do it properly. Yes.
Although I have guessed most of the above.
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quote:Originally posted by Harry: Not too mention that the fighters we have seen seem to be able to operate without a 'mothership'. They are quite big, and could easily be as capable as Runabouts.
Whether they have been scaled properly within visual effects shots, the Starfleet Fighter/Maquis Courier physical model was scaled to be only about half the Runabout length. It is only about 12m long and this size is supported by the TNG Shuttlepod cockpit-shape in its center. The shots of Cal Hudson visible in the main viewport also corroborates this.
Now it could be that the Starfleet Fighter is larger than the Peregrine Class Couriers, but there goes the Bird of Prey type scaling issue again. Same shape; two different sizes.
quote:Originally posted by SoundEffect: Now it could be that the Starfleet Fighter is larger than the Peregrine Class Couriers, but there goes the Bird of Prey type scaling issue again. Same shape; two different sizes.
As far as anyone really knows, we have never seen a peregrine class courier. Whether or not those ships are that class or not you are getting a bit ahead of yourself as we really dont know if a peregrine is a SF fighter or otherwise....
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Watching the fighters from DS9 I have to weigh in with the "31 meter" side of the scale issue. As the fighters strafe he Cardassians they are much larger than mere shuttles and seem to be independent of any carrier type ship. Larger fighters with no need of a carrier make sense during the Dominion War to patrol the literally millions of AU of Federation space without diverting capital ships away from more imporntant assignments.
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I'll go with that one... Thirty meters isn't any more "plausible" or "supported" than twelve. Still, I'd like something a bit larger than half a runabout, even if the models were built like that. Fifteen meters or a bit more. The Maquis must not look like sissies in comparison with our heroes, or then the heroes will look like even greater sissies to lose the combat, and then a vicious circle sissifies them both out of existence.
A shot of Cal Hudson behind the windshield? Where and when, exactly? Was he built into the model (like Kira into the Defiant shuttlepod), or composited there afterwards, or what? Screencaps (my murky copy of "Maquis II" won't help)?
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I only like the "30 meters" thing if (and I'm hoping here) the fighters are assigned extended multi-day patrols of Fed space during the war. With a crew of at least two (and half the ship being engines)you'd need the room just to make it livable. ....I'd also think that the fighters are equiped with much better weapons than a Runabout (phaser canon under the nose, torp launchers in the wings).
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Does anyone have a good webpage on Akira Class.
What would be cool is scans from that Star Trek magazine. I forgot that Mag name.
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