quote:Originally posted by SoundEffect: As far as I'm concerned, and I take canon information to be that which is revealed as dialogue or something seen on-screen, only the cadet bridge simulator was, for whatever reason, named Enterprise Class, not the ship.
Strictly canonically, the TMP-TFF vessel was never referred to by any class name.
That is true only if you decide that the 'Enterprise Class' signage seen in ST II applied for some reason only to the simulator itself, and not to the vessel class it clearly was built to represent. Not only its bridge layout, but its displays, its simulated weaponry, its control responses, and its simulated deck-by-deck feedback all were modeled after a single type of vessel -- the 'Enterprise Class' starship the cadets were training to man.
Using your same 'on-screen equals canon' standard, I've chosen to assign 'Enterprise Class' to the vessel seen from TMP through ST III. ST IV (the last few minutes) through ST VI gave us a NEW ship, the 1701-A, a NEW 'Constitution Class' -- which replaced the now-outdated and decommissioned type of vessel we saw in TOS. There are so many differences (both internal and external) between the TMP ship and that seen in ST IV-VI that I would have a hard time believing they both belong to the same class. I mean, seriously -- look at the original TMP Kimble cutaway poster and find ONE thing inside that ship that matches what you see in ST V or VI.
But, to each his own Who's to say whose opinion is the superior one? More than likely, so long as they are based on established knowns, all such theories rest on level ground.
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Well, I just ignore the TUC schematic as the person who draw it clearly didn't know of Mr. Probert's Enterprise-class designation.
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I can agree to the TMP Enterprise being Enterprise Class. It's not unreasonable to assume the 1701 was the first refitted ship. Perhaps the Constitution was refitted later, and with different internal systems, and ships of that type were named Constitution class.
quote:Originally posted by Harry: I can agree to the TMP Enterprise being Enterprise Class. It's not unreasonable to assume the 1701 was the first refitted ship. Perhaps the Constitution was refitted later, and with different internal systems, and ships of that type were named Constitution class.
That's what I said.
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One possibility as regards the Miranda/Soyuz beinbg 'proof' that a new class designation is used for variants of a class; it's possible this only applies if the new variant has a different purpose to the original. It's a fair bet that the Miranda and Soyuz have different purposes but the Constitution and the upgraded variant do not (both are exploratory cruisers).
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quote:Originally posted by SoundEffect: ...Strictly canonically, the TMP-TFF vessel was never referred to by any class name...
Except that it's not "vessel", it's "vessels". They are two different ships with totally dissimilar internal features.
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quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: Here we go again...
and again and again and again...
Shane's explanation is as good as any I've seen, and ton's better than the "that simulator is for the cadets training on the Enterprise" notion...that's just reaching, and badly at that...
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quote:Originally posted by darkwing_duck1: Shane's explanation is as good as any I've seen, and ton's better than the "that simulator is for the cadets training on the Enterprise" notion...that's just reaching, and badly at that...
Which explanation? This one?...
"If this was the case, one could argue that ships upgraded or built to the specifics of the TMP ship were Enterprise class and those to the 1701-A standards are Constitution class."
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I think darkwing is half off his rocker...considering the same person he is complimenting is also the same person who he claims: is "reaching"....
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quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy: I think darkwing is half off his rocker...considering the same person he is complimenting is also the same person who he claims: is "reaching"....
Uhh...no he isn't.
Shane contends that "Enterprise class" in ref to the simulator refers to a simulator set up to mimic the bridge of an Enterprise-class starship.
This is the interpretation I support.
The interpretation I think is a way over-the-top stretch is the idea that "Enterprise class" refers to "the group of cadets training on the Enterprise" in the sense that two sets of high school English students might be known as "Mr. A's class" or "Ms. B's class".
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quote:Originally posted by darkwing_duck1: Shane's explanation is as good as any I've seen, and ton's better than the "that simulator is for the cadets training on the Enterprise" notion...that's just reaching, and badly at that...
Which explanation? This one?...
"If this was the case, one could argue that ships upgraded or built to the specifics of the TMP ship were Enterprise class and those to the 1701-A standards are Constitution class."
See my answer to Futurama, above...
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quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy: I think darkwing is half off his rocker...considering the same person he is complimenting is also the same person who he claims: is "reaching"....
Uhh...no he isn't.
Shane contends that "Enterprise class" in ref to the simulator refers to a simulator set up to mimic the bridge of an Enterprise-class starship.
This is the interpretation I support.
The interpretation I think is a way over-the-top stretch is the idea that "Enterprise class" refers to "the group of cadets training on the Enterprise" in the sense that two sets of high school English students might be known as "Mr. A's class" or "Ms. B's class".
Well that certain made more sense than how you put it in the first place.
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quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy: I think darkwing is half off his rocker...considering the same person he is complimenting is also the same person who he claims: is "reaching"....
Uhh...no he isn't.
Shane contends that "Enterprise class" in ref to the simulator refers to a simulator set up to mimic the bridge of an Enterprise-class starship.
This is the interpretation I support.
The interpretation I think is a way over-the-top stretch is the idea that "Enterprise class" refers to "the group of cadets training on the Enterprise" in the sense that two sets of high school English students might be known as "Mr. A's class" or "Ms. B's class".
Well that certainly made more sense than how you put it in the first place.
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