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This was bugging me for some time, so I wanted to ask: When was the first time when we saw Excelsior with glowing nacelles? And, have we ever seen glow on other part than that horizontal strip around the nacelle?
I'm asking this becasue I witnessed many games and pictures featuring Excelsior class ships with top bit of nacelle glowing, so I want to make sure that these are wrong
I think it happened in DS9 - TNG Excelsior were the same single stock footage, if I recall correctly.
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I think nacelles were always glowing since the end of TOS. When the E was at Warp you always had the blue glow coming from the nacelles. Furthermore, when you see the Excelsior in ST3 for the first time the nacelles were offline (non-glowing), IIRC. The thing that is far more annoying is the always-glowing TNG-nacelle (and I'm not speaking about the Galaxy or something from the 24th century but old Mirandas and Constellations). I think it became even worse with the beginning of CG-effects.
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Are you asking when the first time we saw an Excelsior class' nacelle glow while at sublight or while at warp? If you're asking about a nacelle glow at sublight, then we probably didn't see it until late TNG or early DS9. The earliest I can recall for certain is DS9's "Way of the Warrior." If you're asking about a nacelle glow while at warp, I want to say we first saw it on the Excelsior in The Undiscovered Country, but that's probably incorrect.
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IIRC, when they hauled ole Exy out for "Flashback" she had quite a noticable glow to her...and that was when they still used the physical model of her.
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Shoot. Yeah, I forgot about Voyager's cock-up with the Excelsior in "Flashback."
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The ILM Excelsior model was not used for "Flashback". It was stuck in the E-B/Lakota configuration following "Generations"... A new, three-foot physical model was built for the episode.
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I've always wondered that if the original NX-2000 nacelles were for the failed transwarp drive, why did the non-transwarp nacelles on the NCC-2000 look the same.
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That was the reason for the Ingram refit. Unfortunately the SFX people didn't get the memo.
As if they really could have followed it.
Ingram is so much more in keeping with the look of Trek ships. When Rick Sternbach says he wishes he could have used some of Todd Guenther's designs, I'm sure that is one of the ones he is thinking about.
Eww! Rick musta been smoking that day. The original Excelsior was, and still is a great design. When introduced back in 1984, it was the first Federation design that was truly different from the established norm of the time; back then, people either embraced the new direction (as I did), or hated it - the latter was fueled strongly by the fans' loyalty to the good ol' E. The Ingram didn't help any IMO.
And I don't see why the nacelles had to change. True, they were a revolutionary design, but later Trek has established that transwarp can be incorporated by basically invisible modifications (even to a shuttle), by the addition of a comparatively tiny transwarp coil, or accessing an existant conduit. Furthermore, many fandom transwarp theories from pre-TNG typically involved something the ol' Enterprise had been through herself at some point or other - interphases, wormholes, etc. There was even a theory that the warp field being beamed ahead of the ship would cause the increase in speed. Regardless, NONE of them really necessitated a whole engine nacelle to do it. For all we know, and the evidence certainly suggested it, transwarp had little to do with what was in the Excelsior's monster (for its time) nacelles.
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The short version is that it's a number of mid-80s Trek fans who didn't like the Excelsior, including Todd. A few publications were made of this fan ship's design, including blueprints, design histories, etc. The ship quickly passed into the pre-TNG fandom canon as "the next big thing", but was subsequently quashed when the E-D came along.
I think it was called something like a "Space Control Ship", back when the fandom was obsessed with long and generally redundant type designations.
quote:Originally posted by Masao: I've always wondered that if the original NX-2000 nacelles were for the failed transwarp drive, why did the non-transwarp nacelles on the NCC-2000 look the same.
Well there is nothing to say that the nacelles for the Excelsior's transwarp project NEEDED to be any different for transwarp - and that they were just the next gen of nacelle types.
I'm guessing the 2281? version of "transwarp" was just a modification to the actual warp drive.
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My new Pet TheoryTM is that the Excelsior project was based upon transwarp technology recovered from the crash of the Borg sphere in 2152 ("Regeneration" [ENT]) and spirited away by Starfleet to a ultra-top-secret research facility where crack UFP scientists spend the next century trying to break it down and reproduce it. Only they never could get it quite right, and that's why it never worked...
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the first, unbastardized version of the Ingram was passable, except the nacelles were dinky lookin.. i actually like the structure of the saucer and secondary hull.. kind of looks like an evolutionary step between the two ships, Excelsior and Connie refit
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