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Why is a big box an inappropriate design for a ship intended to function as...a big box? Utility is a good thing.
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I think that ship that looks like the Prometheus/Intrepid hybrid is more like a variant of the Nova Class. It seems to have that square cut in the front of the saucer for it.
Wow, the things you miss while at SF for Pride weekend...
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Well I would have preferred that they had built a model of one of the more traditional Starfleet-style designs, which I found to be more aesthetically pleasing and more Starfleet or Federation like. A brick ship isn't very visually exciting, although it would offer the most interior space.
Hopefully they will be able to use the designs I like for another starship in the future, perhaps a scout for one and a science ship or surveyor for the other.
But the brick design goes contrary to just about all the articles we have seen in "Star Trek: The Magazine" and the treknology books about starship design when they discuss the importance of a stream-lined shape to increase performance at warp velocities.
Boxes are pretty much for the Alien universe in the design of starships like the USCSS Nostromo.
So that's what I find wrong with the brick shape.
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These would be the same rules that don't seem to apply to any other ship-building group other than the Federation?
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quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Is John Eaves the most uninspired, worst starship designer in Trek history!?!
Jeffries, Probert, George, Rodis, Sternbach, Jein, Martin - they crap all over Eaves' work.
I'm sorry, was the term "Alex Jaeger" not written in large enough letters across the bottom of that image?
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quote:Originally posted by Triton: So why do some people think that it's even appropriate to mention Eaves' talent in this thread or compare him to other beloved designers of Star Trek in the first place.
Cause I felt like it!
I forgot about Alex Jaeger... but his Akira design - torpedo port numbers etc. aside - is quite a nice design. I don't forgive him for the registry number fuck-up though.
Besides, I just don't like Eave's design - as I said they are uninspired. They lack imagination. They are quite... lazy... an arc here - a pointed bit here. They verge on the organic - which is easy to draw.
I think it's that his designs are easy to create in a CGI environment (i.e. that organic look) and as everyone knows it's harder to create 'real' box-straight-edged shapes like the Galor class or the E-refit etc. It's like Eaves takes the easy way out - where as designers like Sternbach and Jim Martin were functional and created ships that you could easily imagine being physical or real... as if you could touch the hull with your hand.
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Guys the sketch storyboard is not the 16 designs that were whittled down to the 4 . Remember we have the small pic of the Zandura and it is not on the storyboard - Alex was supposed to do an article on these in the defunct Star Trek mag thats why I asked if anyone had contact with him so maybe we could get them.
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quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Besides, I just don't like Eave's design - as I said they are uninspired. They lack imagination. They are quite... lazy... an arc here - a pointed bit here. They verge on the organic - which is easy to draw.
I really have to disagree with you here, AndrewR. I find the majority of Eaves designs to be quite well thought out, as well as being pleasant on the eye. The Valdore and the Ent-E are a couple of my favourite designs actually, and some of the major ships he's done for Enterprise (the series) are also very impressive.
I don't think Eaves' work quite compares to that of Probert's but I do think that Eaves has more of an artistic touch (not technical, obviously) than Sternbach.
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I can't put my finger on it but the Breen early designs, the concept Scorpion shuttle, the Sona stuff, and the Dominion stuff and the Reman ship all have such a subtle similarity[well some are subtle LOL]... ...Is it because they all have sharp edges and looks like hunting knives with nacelles?...maybe.
And the Valadore is unoriginal on purpose, I think it was stated in The Mag.
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quote:Originally posted by Topher: Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Eaves also design the Defiant and the Hideki?
I dunno about the Hideki, but the Defiant was designed by James Martin, under the direction of Herman Zimmerman and Gary Hutzel...
I too see absolutely no reason to discuss John Eaves (whose work, just for the record, I happen to like more of than I don't) in a thread about Alex Jaeger's designs.
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Instead of bitching about designers, lets try to pin down these sixteen designs and make them plausable. If someone would be good enough to scan and crop all the unused designs we could go over each one and tweak it into a completed design.
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I finally decided to register after lurking here for a couple of months.
I was very disappointed that Star Trek: The Magazine didn't follow through with that Alex Jaeger article. All we got was that tiny pic of the Zandura. I think the Zandura is a very interesting design and I'm sure the others would have been equally interesting. I mean this is the guy that designed the Akira after all. The first time i saw it grace the screen I said to myself- "Holy crap! Wow! That's different!"
My guess is that all the remaining mystery designs were all his.
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