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hey does anyone have a copy of Diane Duane's "The Romulan Way" laying around?
In the book there is a passage about Arrhae/Terise's Starfleet Intelligence cloaked ship being pursued by a Federation starship - the Nelson - and there is an NCC registry listed. can anyone find what it is, and any other information about the ship?
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Out of memory, NCC-1843, type not given, tasked with border patrol. The Valiant, NCC-2252, is specified as a light cruiser.
I have trouble accepting 1843 as USS Nelson, even if I don't support the idea that she'd be USS Levant, later USS Enterprise-A. The Valiant I'm happy with, though, since fanfic AFAIK hasn't used 2252 for any other prominent class.
These ships appear to be operating post-TMP, so one could postulate construction or refitting to TMP-like standard.
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Dang, Timo, that's a pretty good memory! You're right, Nelson was given the number NCC-1843, and referred to as a "close-cordon border patrol cruiser."
I didn't have time to look for references to the Valiant...
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many thanks gentleman.. i had even forgotten about that Valiant.. your service has been noted.
actually, considering the confusion of which ship was to become the 1701-A, maybe its better if Levant doesn't exist as described. That's actually exactly why i asked.. coincidentally the duties of a border cutter like Nelson matches up with the size/fitting of FASA's Nelson-class.. i wonder if that should be the class ship..
wow.. also coincidentally, that makes the ninth U.S.S. Valiant i've researched this week too..
for my shiplist, i usually try to give novels precedence over manuals, since the novel represents a more fleshed out version of the Trek universe.
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Ditto. However, Diane Duane is a problematic source, at least when she gets down to fine details. Unlike Carey, she doesn't lift stuff directly from FASA, but like her, she ignores the Okudaic/Sternbachian literature... The timeline of the Rihannsu saga is a crooked path, and Duane and Sternbach are greatly at odds with stuff like the TMP refit or the introduction of the Constellation class.
Since the Levant supposedly became a ship of different name and registry, 1843 should be perfectly free for use in other ship classes even in the SotSF universe (although I prefer the version where the E-A was the existing Yorktown, and the Levant/Ti-Ho/whatever was simply left unbuilt, or completed as one of the later Enterprise (II) ships).
It would be slightly odd for Starfleet to have a one-ship class squeezed between 1842 and 1844, though. Heck, in my sorry little fantasy universe, the Nelson could be a final "Miranda (II)", built like the Lantree and supposed pals, since I've used the free registries between 1833 and 1842 for such a class already. Never mind that the other Miranda (II)s were TOS-era conversions, or that they weren't "close-cordon patrol cruisers"...
Too bad that this particular ship is being described by Arrhae/Terise herself. The Valiant specs could be taken as an error or a misunderstanding, seeing how it's a non-Starfleeter describing that ship. Or perhaps Arrhae just thinks of this "Miranda (II) heavy frigate" in Romulan terms by then?
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i myself have no problem with a single ship being squeezed in with another class, since that's happened numerous times in the registries.. after all ships like NCC-956, NCC-1017, NCC-1664, etc must look odd considering theyre probably surrounded by smaller different ships in the register..
on the Duane timeline problems, i usually just glean the details from her novels, like ship names and character names.. if i even get so adventurous as to reference a situation from one of the less chronologically 'stable' books, i just say 'the late 23rd cetury' or some such.. my research is into encyclopedia entries, i'm not attempting a timeline or reconciling canonicity between sources
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You're right, Nelson was given the number NCC-1843, and referred to as a "close-cordon border patrol cruiser."
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