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As a spin-off from my unending quest to get a screencap featuring a decent side-on view of the MACO rifle, so I can work up a schematic of it, I've been compiling a list of the MACO personnel we've seen so far. Here's what I've got.
NOTE: This list includes details of which actors are known to appear in upcoming episodes, information from press releases etc. and freely available on Trektoday etc.; while it doesn't say what they do in that episode, to some the mere fact that a certain guest star is known to appear is too much of a spoiler for them, so be warned!
Major D. (?) Hayes (Steven Culp) - "The Xindi," "The Shipment," "Harbinger," "Hatchery."
Sergeant N. Kemper (Nathan Anderson) - "The Xindi," "Anomaly."
Corporal Chang (Daniel Dae Kim) - "The Xindi," "Extinction," "Hatchery."
S. Money (Dorenda Moore) - "The Xindi," "Raijin," "North Star."
G. (?) Woods - "Anomaly," "Twilight," "North Star."
H. or M. Austin - "Raijin."
D. Moreno - "Twilight."
C. Hammond (Kevin Derr?) - "North Star."
Amanda Cole (Noa Tishby) - "Harbinger."
Notes:
1. With the caps I've been getting, it's sometimes almost possible to determine the first initial. It's not always easy, it's like trying to read the registry of the USS Fredrickson from Relativity!
2. Ryan is the sniper from "The Xindi;" I'm not sure about him appearing in "Anomaly," that's from someone else's list, and there is someone who looks a bit like him in "Twilight."
3. So that's at least fifteen MACO on board. . . That sound right, given there are still supposedly about 80 people on board?
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Wow, that's some pretty good work. Now, let's try to establish some context here. Does anyone know how Marine detachments are assigned aboard ships? Number, groupings or squads, and so forth? And for comparison's sake, how are army team or squads arranged?
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Something else to think about, courtesy of a former Navy SEAL I talk with over email:-
quote:As far as what the MACOs do, you could expect them jogging (although, it looks like Enterprise's gym might have equipment to simulate "jogging over distance" without doing it in the cramped corridors, something like those "virtual reality" skiing apparatuses you sometimes see in arcades). You'd also see them engaging in alot of the other physical activities available in the gym. Probably a lot of the skills-sharpening stuff, would be supplementing and cross-training with other crew members (learning to use and service the ship's weapons systems, small arms, shuttlepods, possibly some personnel spending time "apprenticed" to Dr. Phlox, or Hoshi, etc. to utilize medical or communications training) and I would also imagine they and the ship's security personnel utilizing sections of the ship for "wargaming", practicing room entry, hostage rescue (there's one for you, LT Reed playing the part of a hostage-taker, and T'Pol playing the part of damsel-in-distress!) and so on. I also imagine they'd engage in familiarization and re-familiarization with as much of the ship's systems and equipment as possible. In short, they're aboard, so they'll make themselves useful.
. . . so why don't we see any of this stuff? I hate the way the MACOs just pop up when needed, you'd almost think they were EMH's!
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"Please state the nature of the military emergency," then?
Wow, that's a nice list already, Lee! I guess I haven't been paying close enough attention -- I hadn't even noticed (or remembered) that the MACOs always have nametags on their uniforms.
I did figure that they probably had some of the extras on board from week to week, but I was also kinda sidetracked because they're not always speaking parts (though sometimes they are).
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For the same reason we don't see any of the characters take a crap? You know it's happening somewhere, sometime, but it's not important to the story.
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i wonder if Hayes is the only officer of the group.. how big a military force would have a captain or lieutenant as squad leaders, rather than a full major (unless Hayes is really a captain but is called major because of that old 'there can only be one captain on a ship' naval parlance)
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". . . so why don't we see any of this stuff?"
For the same reason we don't see any of the characters take a crap? You know it's happening somewhere, sometime, but it's not important to the story.
plus continuity buffs would display self-righteous fecal outrage when the crap in the toilet was light brown in one shot, then the next scene as Shatner stands it is suddenly apple green ARE WE TO BELIEVE THERE IS MAGIC COLOR CHANGING SHIT IN THE FUTURE?? I WILL WRITE OF THIS IN MY NEXT FAQ!! IT WAS ESTABLISHED IN BROKEN BOW THAT VULCAN WOMENS SHIT DOESNT STINK SO WHY DOES SEASON 3 TPOL CRAP STINK CHANGED PREMISE PILOT SERIES!!?!?!?
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I'm not saying we should see "A Day In The Life of a MACO," just, much as we often see random crewmembers in the background of scenes, be it in a corridor, the messhall or a cargo bay, wouldn't it be good to see the occasional MACO doing something, anything, apart from only popping out of nowhere heavily armed whenever the shit hits the fan? Woods and Money seem to be their regular in-house MACO extras (although she's actually a stuntwoman) so why not utilise them?
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I'd like to see this too. I think the only casual MACO encounter we've seen was in "The Xindi" when Hoshi schmoozed with them in the Mess.
Reading the SEAL's comments above, I think a great opener for an ep. would be for the MACOs to be practicing a rescue. T'Pol or Hoshi are tied up and Malcolm's going all nuts on them with a Phase Pistol and we're supposed to think that he's gone looney between shows... but see, he hasn't... cause it's only pretend. Get it?
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1. Ryan. . . well, it sure looks like him every time.
2. I have this nightmare where the guy who I've been identifying as Woods turns out to be a different actor every time, and I get accused of being a racist because "all black men look alike." But I'm sure it's him, and if it isn't then we're going to end up with about 30 different MACOs in a crew of 80.
3. We won't know who Kevin Derr plays until we see "Hatchery" - if Woods appears but not Hammond, or vice versa, then that's that problem solved. If they both still appear, then I'd be inclined to say it's Hammond because Woods hasn't been credited in any of his other eps. Make sense?
"I'm not saying we should see "A Day In The Life of a MACO," just, much as we often see random crewmembers in the background of scenes, be it in a corridor, the messhall or a cargo bay, wouldn't it be good to see the occasional MACO doing something, anything, apart from only popping out of nowhere heavily armed whenever the shit hits the fan?"
Well, the thing is, the camera typically follows the main characters around. How often do you think the main characters pop into the middle of a MACO training exercise? Especially to do something important to the plot.
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Don't be obtuse, Timothy. We're talking about background characters doing stuff. They didn't exactly explain what that crewmember was doing when she chose to walk down that wrong corridor at the wrong time on the last episode, did they? She was just there. I'm saying we should at least see more instances of MACOs being 'just there.'
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Well, I'm not saying we shouldn't see one walk down the hallway in the background once in a while. But you seemed to be saying you wanted to see them doing MACO-y things. And while I'm sure they could figure out an excuse to incorporate something like that, I just don't think it's particularly strange that we wouldn't see it.
And, actually, I haven't seen the last episode yet. They decided to go back to new episodes the one week I didn't bother to check whether there was going to be a rerun or not, so I'll have to catch it Saturday.
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Hell, walking down the hallway, doing MACOey things, doing their laundry, ANYTHING! They're only a quarter of the crew, granted, and for sure we probably never saw a representative slice of, say, Voyager's crew - half of them could've been dwarves for all we know - but I'd just like to see something that suggests they're more than just EMHs - Emergency Marine Holograms. 8)
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