quote: "Robert Legato, then visual effects supervisor for DS9, was instructed to shoot the battle sequence before live-action production had commenced on the pilot. 'It was fun to do because I was allowed to make it up from scratch; there was no backlog of stock footage for it' he says. 'The script said that they were right in the middle of this big fierce, ugly battle, and I had tons of debris in all the shots. Ships that were burning, on fire, flying past the camera. I made sure that all of the debris had the correct names on it, the names of the ships that were mentioned in 'The Best of Both Worlds' (The Starships Tolstoy, Kyushu, Melbourne, and Saratoga were among those described as lost in the battle), so the episodes would tie together. But fate stepped in when the decision was made to shoot the live action as if the ships were *about* to enter into battle with the Borg, rather than joining them in mid-fray. 'I had to go back and take all the extraneous ships out,' he laments. 'It was a heartbreaker, because it was a ton of work and very good-looking stuff-much bigger than anything seen on a TNG show."
According to the original "Emissary" script, Sisko has a line that says something to the effect of "Admiral Hanson has deployed the Kyushu, Gage, and the Melbourne." (Actually, "Tolstoy" wasn't listed in the script, but since the name was mentioned in BoBW, I assumed a corresponding model might have been made based on Legato's quote above.)
Because I assumed that the "Gage" might have been another battle-damaged model that had been built for this scene, I exhaustively searched the internet for Legato's email address. When I finally found it and contacted him about the cut scene, his answers were less than satisfying. He seemed not to remember much about it at all, contrary to his quote for the book. He said that the battle-damaged Reliant was used in the scene, and that might have been the Gage. But he really sounded like he didn't know what he was talking about.
Anyway, whether these ships really existed or not, I doubt Nemecek will have photos of them.
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BTW, speaking of Wolf 359 models, I found this interesting specimen while rooting through my old Star Trek files. This item was for sale on eBay years ago, and whoever was selling it claimed that it was a legitimate piece of wreckage from "BoBW" (or maybe "Emissary," I can't remember which). Pity the saucer is upside down; perhaps there might have been a name and/or registry label. Oh, well...
Sorry the pic is so small; it was the only pic they had.
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Looks a bit like the piece they cut off from the Nebula they destroyed... The one that hovers over the Saratoga when Sisko's pod escapes. But it's not an exact match. Perhaps this could be the saucer floating in the foreground in "BoBW", alongside a Galaxy nacelle? The one that's more commonly thought to be a ST3 Enterprise piece?
The number of ventral window rows would better match a full-scale Galaxy saucer rather than the half-scale ones used on the other kitbashes.
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No, I think it's pretty much conclusive that the STIII Enterprise saucer is what's seen in the first shot of the BoBW debris field. I also don't think it's part of the Nebula Melbourne either. I think it's just a random piece of wreckage that *somebody* made, but without any kind of vantage point to scale the thing, there's no clue if it's from a plastic model kit (a la Miarecki) or made from an actual Ent-D mold (a la Greg Jein).
But I agree that it's definitely supposed to be as big as a Galaxy class saucer, so it's either from a Galaxy or a Nebula (or else the Rigel class has the same size saucer...hmm
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I'm not sure which photos exactly Larry still has in the drawer. But he made some remarks about some kitbashes and the Dominion battlecruiser...
Anyway, regarding the Trial, I have listed it as a standard Miranda because owing to the poor finish of the Ertl model it wouldn't qualify as a variant anyway. And it has the blue nacelles like the CGI Mirandas of the era too.
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quote:I'm not sure which photos exactly Larry still has in the drawer. But he made some remarks about some kitbashes and the Dominion battlecruiser...
I see. So he probably only has photos of the Dominion war kitbashes; probably the ones we've already seen from the DS9 Tech Manual. Oh, well. At least maybe we'll finally figure out what the Centaur's "real" name is
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I'd love to see some views of the Dominion Battlecruiser's ventral side.
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In a way I have this romantic(almost a fitting word) idea that he'll have dug up pictures of long lost models from the Emissary intro, but since that's not very likely, I'd settle for images of that tug from the war arc and any other kitbashes we might not have spotted.
Uh, there sure as heck is. We just couldn't read it because the print was so small & blurry.
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Was it you who came up with "Baracus" as the name? Or was that someone else?
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I think it was Mark who coined the name Baracus, as a reference to all the golden greeblies glued to the model, a la B.A.
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Well, my real name is "Mark," but I'm not the "Mark" that came up with that name. That honor goes to Mark Nguyen.
As for what's printed on the "Centaur" model, I believe some of the candidates that were discussed were "Secrets," "Trieste," and "Duckats," whatever that means. I personally like to think that the name is "Suckass." That's a great name for a starship.
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I watched WotW yesterday and judging by the gigantic pennants on the side of the Excelsiors in the same shot the Trial appears in, it looks as though they're model kits too(or the same kit filmed twice).
The Amt/Ertl kit has huge pennant decals on the engineering hull, compared to much better proportioned ones on the real model.
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You know, I was wondering about them as well. They're so out of proportion to the Venture that I kinda figured they were model kits too. Hopefully Nemecek will have pics of those babies too!
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