quote:Originally posted by Johnny: I imagine they still would have changed the name, though? The producers always seemed very wary (overly so!) of viewers getting confused and having a major new species called the Kzinti would no doubt confuse a lot of casual viewers who'd become used to the Enterprise crew having encounters with the Xindi.
Nope, there is not one single page addressing changing the name in the guide I have at my hands. Even more, there are contributions from Niven himself in it.
Also please be aware that the Tzenkethi were at no time a substitution for the Kzinti. [1] So the correct inequation is Caitians ≠ Kzinti ≠ Tzenkethi ≠ Caitians
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While I sadly miss the fifth season of Enterprise that could have been, I am glad that the Kzinti never made it to the screen. I see no reason to incorporate stuff from the one TAS episode that is definitely irreconcilable with the rest of Trek.
Well, and the starship looks like a submarine indeed. Trek goes steampunk? No thanks.
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Well if they got the same treatment as the Gorn, Tholians and the like then it could work. Not that I'm a huge fan of TAS, for the most part, that series is best left in the apocrypha of Trek canon.
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I think the Kzinti would have been the much better choice for recurring villains in the first place. At least they were somehow established to be around in the 21st century. Also there was literally nothing established about them, except that they were mean.
Regarding the vessel, note that it might not reflect the final design, even though Jimmy Diggs had put a lot of thought into it already.
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I keep meaning to watch TAS just for the fun of it. I didn't even know it existed till a couple of years ago - I guess it must be pretty bad since I've never even heard a whisper of it on TV, and the local affiliates can't stop re-running their favorite 5 episodes of the other series. Serieses. Serials. There. Britain saves the day.
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My wife bought me the TAS for our anniversary last year. It's not bad and actually works rather well with established TOS continuity. Other elements from TAS are being worked in by writers into subsequent Trek episodes.
Some of it's a little goofy and cartoonish. The episodes are only half-hour and they don't allow much in the way of character development.
But I wouldn't throw this baby out with the bathwater.
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quote:I keep meaning to watch TAS just for the fun of it. I didn't even know it existed till a couple of years ago - I guess it must be pretty bad since I've never even heard a whisper of it on TV, and the local affiliates can't stop re-running their favorite 5 episodes of the other series.
How "bad" it is depends on your point of view. If you accept it for its original intention (a kid's cartoon show), then it was fine. If you accept it for what hard-core Trekkies (and Paramount) are trying to tote it as (a canon continuation of the original series' last two years of the five-year mission), then it falls flat.
Now that being said, I would have definitely liked to have seen the Kzinti in Enterprise season Five. Despite the crudity of TAS, there has been a wealth of non-canon speculation about them, and having them actually show up in the series (like the Gorn and Tholians), would give them a legitimacy in the ST universe that they never truly had.
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Ship looks like something Ming The Merciless would captain. Not real great.
My loathing for Kzinti, Catian and anything derived from domestic animals is on record.
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Seconded...though it depends on how well it's realised.
Mind you I just the other day claimed my support for the idea that Berengarians are large flying reptiles, possibly of the fire breathing variety so I don't know how I can justify one and not the other.
As for TAS in general, while there are ELEMENTS of it that are ok. Specifically SOME of the designs (weird shuttles not included) and most of the episode "Yesteryear" (sans the framing story) is perfectly acceptable. But giant clones, doors you hum at to open and backwards universes are out.
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Well, you know...kids show. Also, I think if you're going to make all your aliens look exactly like humans with a bit of makeup, and this one looks like a reptile, and that one looks like a bug, and so on...well you can't really complain if they make them look like domestic animals. It's really more fantasy monsters than scifi aliens.
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