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Canon is the shows (not the animated one, though, although that's iffy) and the movies, nothing more. That's universal canon. Personally, people can accept individual things as their private official information, but it remains non-canon.
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Wouldn't the actual defintion of what's canon be whatever TPTB tell the writers is canon? I mean, that's the entire point of "canon": it's the things that cannot be contradicted by the show/movie writers (at least, not intentionally).
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At any rate, no, the scout vessel is not Venture class according to canon. But feel free to refer to it as such if you'd like.
(Personally, as it seems to conflict with the USS Venture, I'm more then willing to discard it. If this information did come from some official source, such as cut dialouge from the script, or production notes, or something, you would think it would have made its way into the latest encyclopedia.)
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I think the U.S.S Venture was seen in 'Way of the Warrior', so I think that this conflict blows the Armada reference out of the water.
The game looks cool, BTW.
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Not if we assume the security guy was an idiot... :-)
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But do not TPTB only maintain the shows and movies are canon, anyway?
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They maintain that the shows and movies are canon, and then ignore them as they see fit. But that is the offical line, Shows and Movies only, are canon.
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minor $ . . . . . . The Venture was in "Tears of the Prophets" as well
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Lets think about this for a second, is it really that unacceptable to consider a venture class scout? The scout really is just a new runabout that goes faster and looks cooler. Somebody mention before that only Sisko names his runabouts, so isn't it safe to assume that the class names of small scouts and runabouts really don't conflict with ship naming schemes.
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Well, the DS9 runabouts were all Danube-class, so Starfleet does have designations for the classes, at least.
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Unfortunately I have failed to get my point across. There is no dictionary definition of canon. What�s "universally" canon is what you think of the series. Most of you are talking about it like its real life. In case you haven't noticed, it's not. The word canon itself just defines what you think is worthy of the trek name. In my opinion, all the games and books a person reads becomes integrated into the whole of the Star Trek Universe. The people that read a book and say "that never happened" are just weird, they don�t realize that nothing on Trek happened or is gonna happen. Canon or not. Its science fiction. By the common definition of canon, it doesn�t any fiction. Anyway, the more and more information and stoies based in the trek universe you experience, the better the entire franchise gets. Who even cares if it fits in, as long as you have fun with it, it doesn�t matter. :O)
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Well, there has to be a universal definition of canon, or else nobody would agree on anything.
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By now we should all be able to agree that there isn't a universal definition of canon Lately this subject has been thoroughly debated across multiple threads.
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The universal definition of canon is on-screen evidence, no matter what. You can pesonally choose to "ignore" or "add" certain aspects to what you consider canon, however.
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