Jim Phelps
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When did we see the graphic for the first time? I couldn't find it anywhere on the bridge in "The Search".
Boris
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The first time we saw the engineering set was in "The Adversary"
But wasn't the MSD seen in the 'conference table' area behind the captain.
Andrew
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What other interior areas of the ship have we seen? There is also the mess hall, I can't recall seeing it prior to "Starship Down", and obviously they didn't have any idea where it was supposed to be at that time. The Fact Files show a big rectangle covering half the top view of the ship as the location of the mess hall
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The MSD definately appeared in "The Adversary" in engineering (I went and watched the video). The MSD didn't appear behind the conference table until sometime afterward.
The MSD claims that the top of the "nose" (deck 2) is where the mess hall is. The DS9TM plans labels the same location as the "warhead control room".
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Yeah in Starship Down - I think it was Muniz!?! pointed to an area at the front top section as the mess hall where Quark and that Karemman were... (that was James Cromwell!)
hmmmm as for what areas we have seen hmmmm
The bridge a standard quarters Sisko's ready room The mess hall Engineering the corriors off the port egress of the bridge... seen in "Facets" The shuttle control room - from outside two types of shuttlecraft. The corridor outside the quarters - seen in "The Search" and "Trials and Tribblations" Have we seen the brig?? - or is that a starbase brig we've seen.
Andrew.
------------------ Ralph: Um, Miss Hoover? There's a dog in the vent. Hoover: Ralph, remember the time you said Snagglepuss was outside? Ralph: He was going to the bathroom.
-the armory (never mind it's just a crew cabin redressed, "To the Death") -Jeffries tubes ("Destiny" et al.) -turbolift interior ("The Search" I think) -transporter room (or more exactly "transporter corridor" , "The Search") -cargo bay ("The Ship") -sickbay ("Broken Link")
So pretty much all the traditional areas of a starship have been covered. Besides a bathroom, what else are we missing, except a shipboard kindergarten or arboretum or other things that certainly won't be aboard the Defiant?
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can't believe I forgot sickbay and transporter!
plus - what was that 'room' that Jadzia and Bashir were trapped in in "Starship Down" Oh cause I'm lazy - were people wondering if there was a dorsal phaser turret?
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That's strange, I just remembered from some episode that the USS Defiant never had a ready room. That's why the table in back of the bridge showed up, a substitue for the ready room, I think.
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Jim Phelps
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Member # 102
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Thanks for these enumerations. It would also be interesting to see what's on the doorsigns. Maybe we can then establish how the ship's sections are laid out. I would expect a system akin to the E-D's secondary hull, as opposed to the polar divisions of the primary.
As far as the original question is concerned, (our) Dax once noted that 68.58m + 170.68m/2 gives 119.6m. It could be that the former two figures predominated before the MSD was drawn up (which explains how the Art Department could ignore something as obvious as the MSD when deriving the 560 feet).
The medium-sized Defiant of the MSD could be a combination of the large Defiant established in the DS9 docking shots, and the small Defiant established in comparisons with the Galor and perhaps Jim Martin's sketches. We know that the latter used a ~68m figure for the "early" sketch in the Magazine, drawn without knowledge of the MSD, and there is further evidence supporting the number as an early production value.
The Fact Files' Defiant entry totally ignored the MSD as well, does anyone know when it was published, exactly?
Boris
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---a Writers' Test from the Original Series Writer's Guide
[This message has been edited by Boris (edited November 27, 1999).]
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That Fact Files Defiant page (file 28, card 1) must have been published after First Contact came out. The page mentions the Defiant's encounter with the Borg cube in the Starship Facts section.
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Jim Phelps
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Member # 102
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It seems really strange that they couldn't have gotten hold of the MSD. Perhaps the first data was collected a long time before publication, maybe the folks who make the files wanted to have a number of issues done before releasing the first one.
Boris
------------------ "Wrong again. Although we want to be scientifically accurate, we've found that selection of [Photon Energy Plasma Scientifically Inaccurate as a major Star Trek format error] usually indicates a preoccupation with science and gadgetry over people and story."
---a Writers' Test from the Original Series Writer's Guide
, "The Search")
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