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On Bernd's site I found a chart with a Freedom Class of 430m long. That's if the nacelles are the same as a Galaxy. But on the ASDB site the Freedom is only half the size, some 213m. That's quite a difference.
The windows in the neck are 2m wide in the 430m model and 0.9m in the 213m model. I don't know what the standard is, but i thing 2m is a bit too wide. I think the 213m model is the best.
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The Freedom's design team must have been drunk when they designed the Freedom class. A large starship with only one nacelle? The idea is interesting but illogical. By the way, I think the smaller measurement is more sound.
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When you think about it - what is the ONLY unscalable part of the Freedom? We KNOW that the E-D Nacelles can coming in a few sizes and that saucer could be anything - sort of an Ambassador variant? The neck is of old pre refit constitution design!! We have only EVER seen one size for this part. has anyone bothered to scale the Freedom to fit this part?
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Well, if they useda neck from a kit, and the kit was at a different scale than the one(s) used for the other parts, it could be that it is a different size than a Constitution neck.
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Oh yes, but I'm talking about in the 'Trek Universe' - of course yeah they could have just used kits of different scales - but aren't we trying to get the TREK length? Also, I'm not saying they HAVEN'T rescaled the Constitution neck - its just that out of the parts that make up the Freedom - they only part we haven't seen as a variable and/or unknown scale is the constitution neck... oh on 'established classes' I mean... this is walking on eggshells but at least for the New Orleans and the Melbourne from Sisko's Office and Future Imperfect which both have Galaxy Nacelles smaller than the norm...
and that saucer could be ANYTHING... it looks Ambassadorish to me - generally it being roundish and having that Ambassador like smaller saucer-section shuttlebay.
Andrew
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Andrew: I don't think the saucer is round. I'm pretty sure it's elliptical, like a Galaxy. They probably used a nacelle from a large E-D kit, and a saucer from a small one.
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If you take a close look to the Freedom schematic, the neck doesn't look like a Constitution or Const. Refit neck at all. And even it it did, who says Starfleet actually used the *original* necks. Maybe they designed them again.
If the necks are real Const., than the Freedom is not much larger than the 418m model.
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The problem is that the Freedom neck as depicted has decks twice as tall as the saucer. Since the saucer decks match roughly with the size Galaxy nacelle, I get 430m, while Lance took the neck decks and got 215 which is equally reasonable, since the smaller the more credible the ship would be. Lance assumes that the nacelles are the same size as those of the New Orleans.
There is no proof the neck is actually taken from the Constitution, we have only the information of Okuda's (in)famous slide show years ago on a convention. The BoBW scene shows only the top, and at least the saucer is exactly as depicted in the Fact Files.
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Of course, it might be intended to be a very fast ship, a courier or something. In that case, all that would be needed is a small space for the people to be in, and one huge warp engine. Form follows function...
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That is one ugly design! They sure don't design 'em like they used to! BTW, I thought that Roddenburry insisted that all starships had an EVEN number of nacelles? (including the non-canon ones)
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There is a theory that the Galaxy Class nacelles are "two-in-one", because of the double lights in the ramscoops. That explains the Freedom class, but also the Niagara (3 nacelles).
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And the award to the worst starship designed ever goes to the Freedom-class.
Where's the navigation deflector array on that thing?!
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