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First of Two
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I agree. There is nothing in that letter which leads me to conclude that the new Defiant's registry includes an 'A.'

The 'same' registry means that neither the numbers would change NOR would any suffix be added.

I don't know about the NX-NCC, as I don't really remember if they ever changed it on the original.

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I think we can safely assume that "NX-74205" is merely what was painted on the hull, and has no bearing on the ship's "actual" registry. (Of course, in my personal registry theory, the ship could be called "NCC-74205-A" if Sisko so desired. But, since that isn't what was painted on the hull, "NX-74205" probably means absolutely nothing.)

As for only the E's getting suffixed... Does anyone else realize how utterly nonsensical that would be? I mean, what happens when another ship name gets two or three really good captains? "Sorry, we'd love to honor your ship's name, but only the Enterprise gets suffixed. You can have a coffee mug, though..." Or what happens if they put a total buffoon in command of an Enterprise (*cough*Harriman*cough*), and it doesn't noticeably deserve the suffix? Can they not take it away, because it's an E? It's just totally illogical.

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Umm.. How is the recycling of registry numbers going to "honor" anybody? It's like naming one's child 3-A in honor of that great early US President, President 3! Or 22-F, in honor of that great basketball player 22 from Chicago Bulls.

Old ships get honored when their names are given to new ships. Old ships get insulted when their registries are given to new ships. It's a lucky thing that it's mainly (or only) the Enterprises who have to suffer from this humiliation.

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I'd agree, actually...I think people place too much significance in the registries.

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Well, I never said that the reuse of registries made sense to begin with. But we know for a fact that Starfleet does it. To assume that they would do it for only one name of ship doesn't make any sense. Especially since it requires one to explain away the Yamato and Relativity.

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Elim Garak
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I personally don't assume they do it for only the Enterprise, but it's not as if the Defiant/S�o Paulo is as deserving as the Enterprise, anyway, in my opinion...
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Why would the Enterprise deserve it, either? It's a chunk of metal that flies around in space and keeps the people inside from being torn apart by the vacuum. A ship doesn't deserve anything. It's the crew that does. Are you saying that Sisko's crew is that much worse than Kirk's or Picard's?

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I personally thought the Yorktown that Tuvok's father served on was NCC-1717-A, for lack of any other registry.

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Elim Garak
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Is it the crew that deserves the award of having the registry immortalised or the crew's accomplishments? The latter, IMO. For all I care, the crew of the Grissom could've been the best crew ever, but they didn't get around to much that we saw, did they...? The Defiant, compared to the Enterprise didn't get around to as much, that we saw or heard of.

I'm not saying anyone's crew is worse than someone else's. That's a rather odd twist on my words, IMO. I'm saying that the crews (April through Kirk) of the Enterprise seem to have had a greater impact on the course of Earth/the Federation's history and knowledge than the Defiant.


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Well, if not for the DS9 crew (also the crew of the Defiant), the Feds may not have won the Dominion War. I'd call that significant...

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The Defiant crew performed missions that was crucial for the federation and that was their ship was honoured with an -A. The excelsior would probably get one if another ship ws made.

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Elim Garak
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But the Dominion War wasn't won before the new Defiant got the old registry.

They may have done significant things, but few were as significant as what the TOS crew(s) did, IMO, with the exception of Sisko preventing the Dominion invasion in "SoA" (although, all things considered, that was simply because he was hand-picked by the Prophets). How many times did Kirk save the Federation or Earth?

All I'm saying is that I consider the TOS crews' impact on the Federation more significant than the second Defiant's crew.


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On the other hand, Sisko started the Dominion War too. Maybe they just called it even.

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Elim Garak
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Well, he started it under orders from Starfleet.
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True. Though I'll wager I'm thinking of an even earlier event then you.

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