Jim Phelps
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Total ripoff of the DS9TM blueprints. We can only guess that the text will be a total ripoff of the DS9TM as well. That seems to be the general trend nowdays - earlier we had conflicting sizes, but at least we had discussion and thought placed into whatever materials were published. Nowdays, everybody seems to be copying the DS9TM.
Boris
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[This message has been edited by Boris (edited May 09, 2000).]
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When was this image published? I recall Chris Gough sending me something very similar to that image you have posted well before the DS9 tm was released. You may have the copying thing around backwards
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Is copied the right word, Boris? I mean, this is all fictional of course, but the design of the Defiant is either correct or it isn't.
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Jim Phelps
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Member # 102
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Ok, maybe adapting would be more accurate. My complaint is just that they used a single source, whereas accuracy could've been improved by going beyond the DS9TM. If the single source were the final word on the Defiant, it wouldn't be a problem, but it isn't.
Technically, the drawing isn't problematic - after all, Drexler explicitly states that it is current to stardate 53142 or something, which is past the end of the DS9 show. It seems very likely that the DS9TM actually represents the renamed and reregistered Sao Paulo, its quantum launchers removed and replaced with targetting sensors.
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Altair: Actually, the Defiant Class holds three shuttles.
IMHO, this goes above and beyond the DS9TM. That drawing looks fantastic!! I also agree that the layout and what not of the Defiant is pretty much Public Domain when it comes to stuff like this. It can't really be considered plagiarism for putting things in the right place.
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And who came up with the Sao Paulo not having any torp launchers?
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Jim Phelps
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Member # 102
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What I said was that Doug Drexler's deck plans are "current to stardate 53142" (look at the bottom of the foldouts). This is past the end of the show. Now, since the original Defiant was destroyed before that stardate (about SD 52600), the prints must be referring to the renamed and reregistered Sao Paulo.
"What You Leave Behind" probably took place around 529xx - the launchers were removed AFTER the DS9 show ended.
Boris
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Well, you can see through the cut-aways the 'windows' on the ventral side of the ship... although - they have in this picture made them more oblong - whereas the model has teeny-tiny square 'windows'
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I like the fact that the drawing includes landing pads like the ship's MSD, though I wonder why a ship "wasn't designed for atmospheric entry" would be design with landing pads.
Altair: didn't mean to offend. I just misunderstood your comment. I'll have to check my model, but I didn't think the circular structure on the ventral side lined up exactly with the bridge circle on the dorsal side. I thougt the shuttle bay was farther aft than the bridge.
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