Jim Phelps
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I was just looking at the script for "Interface", and someone mentions the Excelsior and the *Noble*. Was the name actually onscreen? We can even suppose that the Equinox's class ship is meant here, if we go with the Noble-class designation featured on the dedication plaque.
It is possible that the ship was later renamed to Nova, and with it the entire class of vessels. Or maybe now there are two different ways of referring to Equinox-type ships: Nova-class for sticklers to proper nomenclature, and Noble-class for those who don't care that a renamed ship renamed their entire class.
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Yes, it was mentioned onscreen, but the encyclopedia claims it was the USS Nobel. I guess it was just supposed to be a mispronunciation on the part of the speaker (either Picard or Riker, as I recall).
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Well, I doubt that it was a Nova Class. Wasn't the ship seen on screen or was it that episode with Satie and the whole encyclopedia mixup of the Oberth/Olympic Class I'm thinking of?
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I'm not sure what you mean...the Nobel wasn't seen, and is listed in the encyclopedia as an Olympic class vessel. Okuda's way of saying that the Olympic class really does exist in the main timeline, perhaps.
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I generally got the impression that the Noble was an Olympic Class starship since we never heard of a Nova Class ship then and if M.Okuda says the Noble is an Olympic then we assume he is right.
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I registries were consistent and followed some sort of chronological order (thanks First Contact) the presence of the 5**** registry on the Pasteur would be evidence that this ship and its class exist in the current timeline - since 5**** ships are before the E-D was 'born'.
Andrew
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Andrew: PLEASE don't be refering to the fact that "new" ships like the Akira and Steamrunner have lower registries than ships like the Galaxy Classes. The ships we saw in FC, were not new classes of ships. We had just never seen them before.
If that's not what you meant, then...nevermind.
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Jim Phelps
watches Voyager AFTER 51030
Member # 102
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I wasn't aware that Okuda spelled the name Nobel and made it into Olympic class. In that case, the Encyclopedia may override the script, as it's probably gonna be more influential in the future.
Speaking of spelling, the Jenol*n is spelled Jenolan in the first half of the script, and Jenolen in the second half! The Br*ttain is spelled Brattain all over.
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Michael_T is referring to several issues...the Oberth-class Biko, from, er, that Old-West Worf episode, is referred to the the encyclopedia as Olympic-class. Meanwhile, the Oberth-class ship from "The Drumhead" is apparently the USS Cochrane, with an NCC-x000 registry (I need to check the episode), according to the Star Trek Companion, although the encyclopedia doesn't know this.
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Aban and Altair... I'm just referring to the fact that (yep they may have just been refitted) that the four new ships seen... have lower registries with the aspects of the newer Sovereign - I know its a lengthily debated topic - but if I'm going to talk registries - i.e. the Pasteur - I have to talk Steamrunner/Akira registries too. Its either - the registries a chronologically ordered... thus the Pasteur is quite an older ship in the AGT... future. Or that registries are assigned in groups and that if there are numbers left over once the original run of ships have been made - then they can use them freely... thus allowing for 'newer looking ships' to have older numbers. This also caters for the Constitution numbers... 1700 may indeed have been the first Constitution the, Enterprise the second and so on, say till 1705. Then we it came time to build some more - the production of ships that were around the 1300's had finished and there were numbers there available to be used... so they used them. This also accounts for the large jump in reistry numbers between Star Trek VI and Star Trek: TNG...
This ALSO accounts for the first three Danubes... all next to each other. When it came time for new danubes - the 'registry appliers' then had the choice of using the next number 74600 or what ever (around the time of Voyager) or picking a number that had been unused previously... say 74515 (a random example). The probably with the turn over of the five digits - disallowed any new ships with four numbers... or like when you want to get a new telephone number - you have to pay for easy to remember numbers like 555-1111 instead of something more random 555-9813.
Anyone follow that?
Andrew
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But I'm still a follower of the idea that a higher number automatically means a newer ship. And that in FC the ships were older ships, which we have seen there for the first time.
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Concur. The fact that names of starships can be reused once a ship of a certain name has been retired from service or destroyed makes it all the more important that the registry numbers be arranged in an easy-to-understand manner. The whole point of having the regos is to keep track of and accurately id the ships. Bigger regos equaling newer ships (not newer classes)just makes sense and seems to have born out for the most part.
As for the messed up Constitution numbers in TOS, there were so many things that were messed up in TOS, I'm willing to believe almost anything.
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