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Fabrux is correct with the real world reason, unfortunately...
I mean, take the first time when you saw DS9's Tribble episode. What did you think when you saw the Constitution outline (before the registry was readable)? Was it 'That's a Constitution Class' or 'That's the Enterprise'?
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Well, in that case, everyone knew it was the Enterprise. How about the first time we saw a non-E-D Galaxy in DS9 (I believe that would be the Odyssey)? You didn't think that was the E-D, did you?
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The idea of a Constitution at Wolf 359 being a flying bomb has its ups and downs: On one hand, it would make the hypothesis that the Excelsior class Melbourne was also a flying bomb more feasible. However, since Picard stated that the Constitution class was museum material, I seriously doubt someone would want to use one in this way, Borg or no Borg. Just because Okuda used the Star Trek 3 Enterprise model for the graveyard scene doesn't necessarily preclude that a Connie was at Wolf 359. We only see a portion of the engineering hull in one shot, and an extremely damaged saucer in another. These could be parts of a totally different type of ship, if you wanted to use your imagination.
As far as the class identity of the Olympia goes, maybe something will be written about it in the upcoming DS9 Companion. I can see the front of a Constitution type nacelle sticking out of the ground, but a Constellation class has similar nacelles, and would have been a more logical choice of ship for a deep space mission.
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You know, I did do a big list of the reasons I think the Constitution is no longer around. Not that anyone read it.
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About the Constitution class part seen floating around in BoBw, they might of been ships like the federation destroyer or the federation dreadnought from Starfleet Command. It's just a thought.
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Maybe, but the Saladin/Hermes classes don't have secondary hulls like the Connie. And the Federation class isn't completely canonical. The name Entente may have been heard in ST:TMP, but the ship was never seen nor any other design like the Federation class. The Entente could have belong to some other class for all we know.
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Well then how about the federation battleship from Starfleet command. It had a saucer section like the connies saucer and it had two stardrive sections.
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I've never heard of or seen any ship like, canon or non-canon, so most likely this ship would not be at Wolf 359 either.
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You will see the federation starships a discribed on a computer game CALLED Star Trek: STARFLEET COMMAND. It was realesed last year. The distroyers and the dreadnoughts from this game are NOT the same ones from the Starfleet Acadamy handbook, or whatever that was called. You will also find the federation battleship I discribed in the game as well. All the ships in Starfleet Command WERE designed BY Paramount. I suggest you try out Star Trek: Starfleet Command. It's a very cool game!
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Most likely, there were not designed by Paramount. Paramount may have approved the game, but that still doesn't make it canon. Usually what's considered canon is what's been aired on television and in the movies. Reference books by the producers and background info provided by them is supplemental and is semi-canon. The animated series is considered by many to be apocryphal and non-canon. All other books, especially the novels, are non-canon. All computer games are non-canon. Reference software is semi-canon along with the reference books. The possible ships you have described are not going to be considered to be part of the official Trek and not at Wolf 359.
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First of all, I want to say that everyone must decide for themselves what's canon or not. You simply cannot dictate to others what is part of the Trek-universe or not. Everyone has his/her own view of it. Star Trek is just TV, so that must be possible (unlike real-life history, which cannot be denied, and everyone must follow the same set of rules). According to my definition of canon, TAS is canon (although apocryphal at some points, I concur), the TNG and DS9 manuals are canon, Jeri Taylor's Voyager novels, etc. As long as it's authored by someone who plays a significant role in the production of Trek. (no commentaries please, it's just a statement)
Back to the Paramount-approval/canon discussion... If we would consider everything Paramount approved as canon, that would also include Franz Joseph's Star Fleet Technical Manual, virtually all games, FASA, etc. But that's where I draw the line.
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PopMaze, The ships in Star Trek: Starfleet Command WERE designed by Paramount artists. I read so myself in Star Trek Magazine. Unfoutuneatly I can't remember witch issue.
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It doesn't say anything about the ships being designed by Paramount in this article. It says the game is based heavily on Starfleet Battles. So, unless Starfleet Battles's ships were designed by Paramount...
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