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I don't have the Chronology, but I do know that there is a picture of a 'DY-750 class' ship in it. I wonder what the Chronology says more about it. (or is the pic just a filler?)
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The DY-500 mentioned on screen was the Mariposa. And I doubt there were 750 of them (DY-1, DY-2, DY-3 ... DY-748, DY-749, DY-750). They seem to mainly use increments of 100 or 50 (and possibly a 25 thrown in from time to time?), but I think that's probably all.
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Yep. Same model was used. Whether or not it was supposed to represent the exact same design is debateable, of course...
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The DY numbers probably don't run evenly from 1 to 750, but they aren't used in nice regular intervals of 50 or 25, either. The monitor on Picard's desk in "Up the Long Ladder" lists all sorts of other DY designs beside the 100, 500 and 750 - that is, designs like DY-488 or something.
One could say that DY-100 was the most primitive model, and DY-200 a growth model; DY-201 an improved version of the latter with a higher-power microwave oven; and DY-488 a downgraded "economy" version of the DY-500, with less comfortable seat padding. So the 100- or 50-interval models would represent major structural or propulsive improvements, while the smaller increases or decreases in model numbers would represent minor modifications.
It might be that there never was a single DY-500 ship built, for example: instead, DY-500 was the theoretical template or "mother design" on which individual ships would be built according to customer requirements, so that perhaps five DY-501 ships, two DY-530s, and one each of DY-541, 545, 560 etc. would be constructed. All of these would be considered part of the "DY-500 series". That would explain the great number of DY variants seen on Picard's screen without assuming great numbers of ships of each variant produced.
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For the record: multiple DY-series ships are mentioned in the "And what might these be?" thread started by Prakesh. (I'm too lazy to place a link...)
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I was thinking, the DY ships might be the pre NCC ships - and that instead of having NCC-01 they actually continued on with NCC-XXX interspersed with DY ships??
Though that doesn't help with the SS Enterprise.
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According to fanfic, DY-series vessels were assigned DY-registries before NCC-registries were introduced. (the Botany Bay was DY-100 class, but had the rego DY-102. The first of the DY-100 class was named Savannah, and had rego DY-100) NCC was introduced around the time when warp drive became available. The Bonaventure from Animated episode "Time Trap" had a visible registry of NCC-S2200 (don't know for sure).
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The DY codes can't be registries, really, since the DY ships in Picard's screen all had separate registries. The Mariposa herself had a NAR registry. I'm too lazy to check, but apparently none of them had NCC (which is only prudent, since the earliest known NCC is a Starfleet one, for the Daedalus class, and the screen listed ships that had sailed out before Starfleet was formed).
I think the Bonadventure was NCC-S2100. The freighter Huron from "Pirates of Orion" was NCC-F1313, while the droneships from "More Tribbles" had NCC-G registries. I'm sure fanfic has figured out a scheme or two for these letters (at least the F is obvious, and G is in some cases used as a letter for drones in the USAF as well, in addition to D and Q...).
Incidentally, the Bonadventure was "the first starship to be fitted with warp drive", leaving open the possibility that other ships were fitted with warp drive before her, but weren't called "starships". There was no launch date established for the Bonadventure; although fanfic usually conjectures something in the 2060s to match the general era of Cochrane's first flight, it is just as possible that the ship was actually launched in 2161 as the first Starfleet-operated warp-driven spaceship, and thus as the first such spaceship to be decorated with the name "starship".
Or alternatively, perhaps she was launched in the early 2200s (since the markings on the ship were clearly of the TOS style), and was the first ship with capabilities comparable to the Constitution class, and thus got named "starship" to distinguish her from the earlier mere "spaceships"? Perhaps this experimental vessel (the S in the registy?) was followed by the first operational starships, of Constitution class (thus explaining why the dedication plaque of the Enterprise said "Starship class")?
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Timo I suggest the following- Starships were the most advanced and most powerful ships of Starfleet to the 2280's, when the familiar class system of the later series is introduced. Each starship type, the Daedalus and the Constitution, were identified as Starship Class and, to prevent confusion, labeled with a alpha designation. An example is the J Class starship that was considered old by the 2260's and, at least, one starship of this class was used as a trainer by Academy cadets. A Starship Class was supported by scouts and other types of ships. From having seen the series Star Trek and Next Generation, I know that there were at least three major types of starships from 2161 to 2264-the Daedalus Class (alpha designation unknown), an unknown class known simply as J Class, and the Constitution Class (alpha designation unknown). The USS Horizon of the Daedalus Class was identified as a starship in "A Piece of the Action", inferring that the term starship dates to the 22nd century. Further, each starship class had a small number of ships operating at any one time. By the mid 2260's, the Constitution Class had thirteen ships in operation. (Capt. Kirk says that there are "...only twelve ships like it [the USS Enterprise] in the fleet...". The phrase 'like it' implies that the USS Enterprise is separate from the count of the twelve ships. This would be similiar to someone seeing a car I owned and asking how many I have. I would say, "I have twelve cars like it back home." When I am saying this phrase, I am thinking of the car I have and the twelve cars I have at home. This is a count of thirteen. I don't own thirteen cars in reality, but I hope you get the gist of what I am saying.)
On a side note- What are the thirteen ships of the Constitution Class in operation at this time? After watching Star Trek, I have come with my answer. A larger and more detailed answer will appear either at the ending of this year or beginning of next year. Please note that I am taking the position that starship registries are not chronological. Evidence for this is the the known registries of Constitution Class starships; the commission dates of starships in the Next Generation (USS Bradbury NX-72307 operational by 2366), Deep Space Nine (USS Danube NX-72003 commissioned in the year 2368), and Voyager (USS Equinox NCC-72381 commissioned in 2370); and the list of the first runabouts to be commissioned in the DS9 companion. So here is my answer-
13 ships in 2267 1. NCC-1017 USS Constellation 2. NCC-1371 USS Republic 3. NCC-1664 USS Excalibur 4. NCC-1672 USS Exeter 5. NCC-1685 6. NCC-1697 USS Essex 7. NCC-1700 USS Constitution (class ship) 8. NCC-1701 USS Enterprise 9. NCC-1703 USS Hood 10. NCC-1709 USS Lexington 11. NCC-1717 USS Yorktown 12. NCC-1718 13. NCC-1831 USS Intrepid
The USS Carolina, a ship identified as starship in "Friday's Child", I believe to be Constitution Class. I present my evidence later. Her registry is either NCC-1685 or NCC-1718.
These ships were commissioned in or after 2267-the USS Kongo NCC-1710, the Defiant NCC-1764, the USS Eagle NCC-956, the USS Potemkin NCC-1657, and the USS Endeavor NCC-1895.
The USS Farrugut NCC-1647 was destroyed in the 2250's.
The USS Valiant NCC-1223 was not identified as a starship in the episode "A Taste of Armageddon". She was listed as Earth ship. Therefore, the USS Valiant was not a member of a starship class.
As stated earlier, the term "Starship Class" was phased out by the early 2280's. The evidence for this can be found in the Wrath of Khan where there were two starship classes in operation at the same time. Evidence from the series Star Trek and from the Making of Star Trek was that there existed only one active Starship Class in operation at any one time. The Class J starships were retired by the 2260's with only one starship, a trainer, in operational for the Academy. This doesn't violate the rule stated for this was an exception. The term starship, which was reserved to particular classes before 2280, had become used by the time of the second film to include all classes of a certain size and ability.
So in summation, a brief history 22nd century The term 'starship' was first coined to refer to a particular type of ship that was more powerful and more advanced than other ships in the fleet. By extension, a new class of ship was invented-the Starship Class. 2161 Daedalus Class starships are the first to bear the designation Starship Class. 2196 Daedalus Class starships are retired. Between 2196 and 2225, the Class J starships were in active duty in Starfleet. 2225 Constitution Class starships are introduced into active service. (Forty years before the series-Making of Star Trek.) The first ship was the USS Constition NCC-1700. 2245 USS Enterprise NCC-1701 commissioned. 2265 to 2269 Star Trek. 2270's Term starship was broaden to include all ships of a certain size and ability. Starship Class designation was phased out of use. Many ships in the fleet are refitted with new technology. 2280's First use of familiar system-Constitution Class named after prototype ship, USS Constitution. Constitution Class ships are still being built in this decade (The Voyage Home). 2286 USS Yorktown NCC-1717 renamed USS Enterprise NCC-1701-A. 23rd Century Ships of the Constitution Class are either put into a museum or used as trainers for cadets. 2367 A cadet ship of the Constitution Class was destroyed in the Wolf 359 battle. USS Republic NCC-1371 was the only active duty ship of the Constitution Class in service after this battle. Due to her advanced age by the 2320's, she was constrained to the Sol System as an Academy trainer. ------------------
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