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I know that the Daedalus class was designed but Matt Jefferies for the purpose of being maybe the Enterprise. However that design was fuether refined to the ship we know today. However in the Trek Universe, when and why do you think the Daedalus class was designed?
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I happen to be working on a Starfleet Museum article about this right now! So you'll have to wait a few more weeks. In one of my articles already posted, I suggest that Daedalus was based on my Fireball class. http://www.starfleet-museum.org/fireball-daedalus.htm
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Why was it designed? Probably for the same reason any ship is designed... :-)
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Would the Daedelus have been the first 'Starship' as the Daedelus character was the first 'man' to fly?? Wasn't he... you know with those wings!?!
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Of course, his wings melted, and he fell in the ocean and died. (Or was that Icarus?) Not very encouraging. A lot of Daedalus ships were lost, so maybe the name was appropriate, if unfortunate.
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That was Icarus, bubby.
Still, I think the Daedaluses ("Daedali?") were probably Starfleet's ONLY ships at the beginning. Oh, SURE, they were supplemented by loaners from the various member-planet militias, but I don't think there were immediately an assload of classes around. I bet Starfleet was very much like the Klingons & Romulans in terms of fewer ship deigns in the "bootstrap days."
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I in turn think that the Daedali preceded the founding of Starfleet, and were already built by Earthfleet for use in the Romulan War. This would give some more breathing room - the ships are known to be operating far away from Earth very soon after the founding of Starfleet.
(Also, I'd like to equate them with the so-called Horizon class of FASA RPG fame, since this class supposedly included the TOS-references USS Horizon and USS Archon that now belong to Daedalus class. The timelines would work out *very* nicely. This would also leave the name "Horizon class" free for another RPG ship class, namely the one which served as the basis of the Constitution class... But this is all strictly noncanon stuff, of course.)
The Daedali probably didn't see much military action before the war ended, but one thing is for sure: the first task of Starfleet would have been to field heavily armed warships. A major war had just ended indecisively, with the enemy lurking behind a Neutral Zone. Exploration would be a secondary goal in that situation.
Since we don't see much weapons on the Daedali, there are two main possibilities:
1)They are hidden very well. Not impossible - the weapons of the TOS Enterprise were also very well hidden. 2)There aren't any weapons, making the Daedali second-rate ships. They would be unsuited for Starfleet's primary mission of patrolling the RNZ, so they'd be sent out to perform the secondary mission, exploration.
Of course, the silence of the Romulan front and the successes of the Daedali would soon make Starfleet switch its priorities.
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Don't all the Daedalus Classes have registries NCC-1XX?
This would support my theory that the very first starship with a "Federation" registry i.e. NCC was the U.S.S. Daedalus NCC-100. I don't think Starfleet started numbering at 1. NCC-1. I suppose it could've done NCC-001 knowing there would be a ton of ships in the future...
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I agree that NCC-1 is an unlikely registry number. NCC-01 is a possibility, and would jibe with the weird "NX-01-A USS Dauntless" thing that Janeway and pals seemed to swallow hook, line and sinker in "Hope and Fear".
But the Daedali have regos in the 17X range (or 16X if a rather unconvincing Encyclopedia reference is counted). I doubt NCC-100 belonged to the Daedalus class at all, since it would seem unlikely for Starfleet to build more than seventy ships of that design in those early years.
Also, it seems unlikely that the first couple of hundred NCCs were chronologically ordered according to the age of the ship design, or the year of service entry. In the early years, Starfleet must have gone from zero ships to a working fleet in a very short period of time, and hundreds of ships must have been (re-)registered in that time. It would stand to reason that the numbers would be given in some sort of "operational priority" manner - i.e. the biggest and baddest cruiser gets NCC-01, instead of the oldest and scrappiest old scout to be adopted from Earthfleet to Starfleet.
I'd probably put USS Daedalus at NCC-170 or something, with NCC-01 being a big battleship or command ship of some sort. The Daedali could actually be rather small second-line vessels in that scenario...
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'Course, the real singular ought to be "Daidalos", which I believe makes the the plural "Daidaloi", but I suppose that's irrelevant... :-)
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Well, what's wrong with NCC-1? If we accept "placeholder" zeros would we then have to accept NCC-0683 or 00683 for Grissom and NCC-01701 for Enterprise? The USS military when numbering ships and planes doesn't use any placeholder zeros. The first carrier was CV-1 and the first battle ship was BB-1. It's not as if the numbers on ships are shown on some sort of digital display.
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Aye...I started at NCC-1 as well. Of course, I made that USS Daedalus, but....
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By the way, how sure are we of those Daedalus class regos? Are Horizon, Archon, Essex (and Carolina!) established on air as Daedalus ships with those numbers or are they only Encyclopedia assumptions?
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Essex is indentifed completely in dialogue as Daedalus class and NCC-173. Horizon and Archon were contemporaries and so were grouped as the same class. Their regos were made up to fit the time. Carolina is out of whack altogether.
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preceded the founding of Starfleet, and were already built by Earthfleet for use in the Romulan War. This would give some more breathing room - the ships are known to be operating far away from Earth very soon after the founding of Starfleet. 
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