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A while ago, I was going to make a PII Enterprise but so far it has not got off the drawing board.

As far as I can tell, the P II ship would have quite a bit smaller than the refit; The saucer is smaller - it would fit inside the last but one deflector grid from the refit the upper hull's curve is almost the same as the refit but the lower is more like the original E, the conecting dorsal between the 2nd and primary hull is longer and wider (the addition is the blue curved bit at the top of the Refit dorsal).
The secondary hull is shorter at the shuttle bay area(about an inch if you were looking at the ERTL kit), the warp struts arent as tall because the connecting dorsal on the refit is longer (see above) and the warp engines are about 15% smaller including length.

Phew!

Mike


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Have I missed something?
I thought the PII ships were those two triangular ships? They don't seem to have anything in common with the TMP-Ent., so are you referring to *these* ship or some others?

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Those early ships were first considered until it was decided to make a new design that more closely resembled the original design from the series.

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Regarding the Phase II Enterprise...

The model seen on the Brick Price page... http://www.wonderworksweb.com/
...doesn't appear to be a Phase II model, it looks to be a small model designed for TMP. Comparing it to the photos of the under-construction Phase II ship, the engines are simialr, but not identical, the pylons aren't notched the same way, the neck is different, and the torpedo deck, saucer size, portholes and self-illumination features are definitely the TMP version. It's possible that the built a small minitaure early on and then revised it for use in TMP. Sadly, it's difficult to tell for sure.

I find it interesting that the photos of the under-construction model features no torpedo tubes nor any indication such would be attached, which makes one wonder at what point that feature was decided upon.

The two study models that are often identified as Phase II prototypes actually predate that project. These are the two ships with the flattened triangular secondary hulls. I believe they have been identified as study models for the aborted Star Trek: Planet of Titans feature that Phillip Kaufman was supposed to helm.

One thing that is very frustrating is that many times the books we must refer to are factually incorrect. A good example is where a Jeffries Phase II sketch landed in the Original Series Star Trek Sketchbook (the drawing is even dated 77!), on in the Phase II book where sketches labeled early V'ger concepts are actually the final design of that entity (I'd know a Syd Mead sketch anywhere).


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Follow the link to a page with photos of the Phase II model under construction...
http://www.users.csbsju.edu/~rsorense/modelcitizen/trekships/constitution/#c3

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