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In the LUG RPG the Tellarites are the main engineers behind the Daedalus class. And a Tellarite engineer originated the primary hull/secondary hull distinction. This is one thing that Enterprise hasn't totally disproven (unless you count that little pod as a secondary hull).
If we assume that post-founding the Federation takes some years (or decades) to blend all the different ship design philosophies we can squeeze in all sort of odd hybrids.
Vulcans - single hull (needle like) and ring. Humans - single hull (sometimes, but by no means always a saucer) and nacelles. Tellarites - (two hulls, maybe one a sphere) and nacelles. Andorians - ??? (FASA suggests that an incomplete saucer and/or close together nacelles are Andorian features whilst LUG implies single hull (sometimes angular, sometimes a saucer) and nacelles - but that is all 23rd and 24th century).
Yeah, we can combine those (plus any other founding races) to make any sort of strange ship in the early decades of the UFP.
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On the right is the Tellarite (or whatever) livery. On the right side is a Marshall in UESN livery, but I've already discarded that. In the middle is the regular version.
Note that I have simplified the front section. And I've changed some other minor details. Next.. a fore and aft view :S
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Very cool. I've gotta say, the design doesn't bother me all that much from the top. I don't like the side for some reason though. I think it's because it looks even more "Aft-heavy" from the side. You've got this hug aft section then this tiny little head at the front.
It's an issue with the design, not with the artwork, which still rocks
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With the nacelles like that it looks like the bastard child of the blockade runner and an A-wing.
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I think this ship would look nice with a small saucer instead of the hammer head. Rick Sternbach mentioned once that he thought that saucer-shaped primary hulls evolved from saucer-shaped escape pods, so this would be an ideal place to try it out.
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Seconded, of course - although I don't think Harry is willing to go for it, even to save a design in desperate need of such saving... The angular hammerhead in front of the ship could be analogous to the angular "impulse deck" of the Baton Rouge class, and the weird color-coded indentations on the hammerhead could be latching points, turboshaft openings and whatnot for the saucer.
It then becomes a matter of personal taste whether the dimensions given in SFC should apply to the saucered ship or the original. It would be simple enough to account for the increased length by having a relatively large saucer that also increases width correspondingly. And height could be increased simply by adding a dangling Saladin-style deflector dish or some such antenna thingamabob to the saucer section. Or then the given dimensions could be ignored, and no rescaling done at all.
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What are the dimensions of the Marshall Class, anyway?
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Anyway. here's the latest schematics. The fore and aft views are really weird, but reasonably accurate. I've kind of had it now with this ugly thing. It has NOT made it into my 'personal canon'
Next up.. well.. if anyone has a side view (and perhaps a fore view) of the Baton Rouge class, I'd like to draw it. AFAIK, the Spaceflight Chronology has only a top view.
quote:Originally posted by Harry: Next up.. well.. if anyone has a side view (and perhaps a fore view) of the Baton Rouge class, I'd like to draw it. AFAIK, the Spaceflight Chronology has only a top view.
It's from Lawrence Miller's 1992 Syar Fleet Tactical Database Series 2 which contained line drawings of "58 starships, space probes and starbases" from UESPA and UFP. A lot of them are copied and/or amended versions of Spaceflight Chronology ships.
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Yup, though only as a nameless Cargo Transport. The side view is exactly the same as the one in the SFC timeline, but the top view is slightly different to the one from the comparison chart at the back of SFC.
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quote:Originally posted by Masao: Rick Sternbach mentioned once that he thought that saucer-shaped primary hulls evolved from saucer-shaped escape pods, so this would be an ideal place to try it out.
WHAT? What a bizarre idea.
Well with Enterprise, that only leaves room for humans playing around with saucer shaped escape pods for 90 years.
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I think Sternbach's idea is pretty cool. Imagine a ship with the bridge in a small lifting body shaped or saucer module, which could detach from the drive section and land on a planet. The original landing function might have been lost as the saucers got larger.
I've also been working on a Baton Rouge. The only thing we know about the side elevation is its height, which is given in the chronology.
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I've always wondered if the (conjectural) Valiant design seen in the Encyclopedia was supposed to have a detachable nose, using a similar principle. I guess the difference between a cone-shaped command section and a saucer-shaped section is that the saucer can land.
The Baton Rouge is definitely a weird design... how the heck can those tiny pylons support those nacelles? Or at least, contain the necessary plasma transfer conduits?
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The angular hammerhead in front of the ship could be analogous to the angular "impulse deck" of the Baton Rouge class, and the weird color-coded indentations on the hammerhead could be latching points, turboshaft openings and whatnot for the saucer.
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