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If you watch Aliens, again, listen for the Bishop/Carter (the asshole, sell out) Burke discussion over Ripley's last encounter with androids. You'll hear Bishop say something along the lines of the "Old Cyberdine models were always a bit twitchy" Is this in reference to the Aliens and Terminator timeline/universe being the same, or to Cameron's secret electronics company?
Now we obviously know the Predator/Xenos are both in the same universe, and this link might mean that Cyberdyne did/does still exist in the future of the Alien movies. The timing isn't too far off either. The Alien movies are set in the 22nd Century (2120ish-2170ish I think) so this means humanity would have time to reclaim Earth, clean it up and start space traveling if the Terminator line did happen.
First question: Do you think a Terminator could out fight a Predator? With or without the blaster cannon it has, assuming the metal used by SkyNet can even be damaged by it. Does the Predator assume it's a human and go for the normal mode of killing (using it's claws, the spear or the shoulder cannon to blast it)? Wouldn't it be surprised to find that hard metal endoskeleton keeping it from taking it's trophy.
Second: Would Terminators be able to kill Xenos? And would they be affected by the blood? The metal properties aren't known, so acid/strong akalyne could be something it's resistant to. I can see one of those model 800's take on a Xeno and rip it apart, losing it's flesh covering but otherwise living through it.
I heard they did a Predator/Terminator comic, but I haven't seen it and I don't know what happened with it.
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Actually Ash was a unit of the "Hyperdyne Systems 128-2". There is a small similarity, what with both movies having cyborgs, and with Lance Henriksen starring in both as well. Other than that, I don't think they planned to do anything with it.
There isn't canon evidence about predators and xeno's being in the same universe, if you're not thinking of that skull in the trophy-room of "Predator II", but I think that was just an easter-egg.
IF an unarmed predator would engage a T-800 in battle it would lose. The terminator doesn't feel pain, can't get short of breath, can take many blows from a steel-beam to the head and knows anatomy well enough to simply run up to the predator, take a firm grip and crush its neck. If the predator somehow manages to take a swing at it, it would get a very sore wrist.
I think the alien's acid would melt through a terminator. Arnold might kill one, but two or three alien-corpses would probably splurt acid to the cyborg's head at some point, melting the CPU.
Of course, this is just assuming hand-to-hand combat. A platoon of T-800's with the plasma-rifles from the beginning of T2 would be a perfect weapon against the Aliens.
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I think the more interesting question is what effect the acid blood would have on the T-1000, personally.
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That easter egg still spawned alot of fic and theories. I meant all the books and comics. Those may not be pure canon but they are offical.
The metal's strength is well known but it's resistance to strong acids isn't. If they coated them with something out of the books then they'd take them out hand to hand fairly well. The CPU would be the main weak spot I agree, it probably wouln't be coatable or easily protected like that.
And what link? I think I heard a vague reference once but any details escape me of whatever it was.
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As to the 1000- I think it would take a minor amount of "body" loss but otherwise survive. My original posting of the thread (the night of the space run out) ran through that too. Obviously decapitating it would only mean it grew a new head.
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I HAVE read some funny alien-comics, one where a professor has built an android much like Bishop, but wittier, in the shape of a xenomorph. He smokes cigars and talks like spiderman, generally.
In that comic-book they had indeed invented some titanium-plastic alloy which was acid-resistant. The professor had built a droid about 3.5 meters tall, with a cannon and a lightning-prod for arms. Of course, there was only one, so it got wasted, eventually.
But to add to the discussion, I think it's fairly simple. If unprotected from acid, T-800's would still be a lot more apt at disposing of aliens. They wouldn't panic, and could probably come up with tactical solutions much faster than the aliens.
If they indeed had a body-suit of super-plastic stuff (actually I dreamed about that after seeing T-2). It would cover the vulnerable parts of the T-800 interior.
I think a T-1000 would melt a lot easier than T-800 metal. after all, it's even more porous than human flesh. Although it could escape in ducts and shafts easier than Arnold. But it shouldn't have to come to that.
But what you're all forgetting is that both the T-800 and the T-1000 was conceived to be spys, scouts. To covertly find and kill humans, with a minimum of protection and weaponry (to avoid detection) and in the shape of a man. If CyberDyne Sys. would put a little effort in creating real kick-ass battle-drones I think they would come out more like "RoboCop II", only WITH armour. Or the Dark Troopers from the computer-game "Dark Forces". That was one cool droid-design.
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From what we've seen of SkyNet, it'd likely make Xeno-droids that look, act, smell and pretend to be one but really have the endo skeleton and programming of a Terminator. Just imagine having to fight one of those!
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