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Has it been confirmed that the birth will occur during the film? I thought I had heard that it would be one of those things that happened "in between" III and IV.
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quote:Originally posted by Veers: However, everybody considers them canon, mainly because there will never be any movies after EP. 6 that will contradict them.
Everybody considers the ghost of Sith masters and, the Emporer having an endless supply of clones of himself, the awful "Sun Crusher" and "force dragons" as canon?
And they say bad things about Ferengi on Enterprise.
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The thing is, most of the novels follow the same storyline. The events of previous novels are referenced in the other novels, and when someone writes a new novel usually they do not change what already has been established. Also, the Star Wars encyclopedia, the Chronology, and most reference books all list the events that occurred, meaning at least those people consider them to be canon.
I guess that you might consider them a separate series from the movies, but since there will not likely be another trilogy, they are the best source of what comes after the 5 original movies. Even if there was to be another trilogy, they wouldn't completely disregard the novels and might incorporate some events from them (remember, "Coruscant" came from the Zahn novels).
As for novels that come BEFORE ep. 6, I tend to not regard them as canon, seeing as the prequels might contradict them. But novels or comics that come before even the prequels could probably be considered canon, because they follow each other and cannot be contradicted much by only 7 or so hours of film.
"Has it been confirmed that the birth will occur during the film? I thought I had heard that it would be one of those things that happened 'in between' III and IV."
Well, I hadn't really heard anything official either way. I just figured it was too important an event to just not show.
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quote:Originally posted by Veers: The thing is, most of the novels follow the same storyline. The events of previous novels are referenced in the other novels, and when someone writes a new novel usually they do not change what already has been established.
That's nice for them, of course, but folowing inside continuity doesn't make novels canon
quote: Also, the Star Wars encyclopedia, the Chronology, and most reference books all list the events that occurred, meaning at least those people consider them to be canon.
Star Wars Encyclopedia and the Chronology is not canon either, so it is irrevelant whether they consider certain novels canon or not.
quote: Even if there was to be another trilogy, they wouldn't completely disregard the novels and might incorporate some events from them (remember, "Coruscant" came from the Zahn novels).
Despite being the first novels where name "Coruscant" is used, Zahn trilogy is not canon either. The same thing goes for "Shadows of the Empire", which introduced us to Outrider, which was later inserted in the ANH SE.
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Neither of us wil change our opinion. At least we can agree we are all waiting anxiously for Episode III (although judging by the response to Eps I and II, I can't say that either).
quote:Originally posted by Kazeite: My "opinion" is not an opinion - it is the fact. The fact is that novels are not canon, although in some people's opinion they are canon.
Analogically, I may not like the fact that Brannon Braga has declared Enterprise canon, but this is the fact - Enterprise is canon :/
Which is why it's so deliciously freeing--in an intellectual way, of course--to not give a rip about what is or is not "canon." You should try it sometime. It's like skinnydipping for the mind.
Having said that, I will now earn the ire of the novel fans by saying I didn't like the Zahn novels very much. I found the plot rather silly and the new characters trite and shallow--especially Karrde and Mara Jade. The use of Earth names like "katana" also bothered me. I did like the use of stuff from the West End SWRPG, and the scene where an X-Wing with a damaged hyperdrive is stranded in the middle of nowhere--scifi seldom gets across the idea of how vast space really is. I'm also tickled by the idea of Leia with a lightsaber. But a few good bits don't make up for Force-repelling tree anemones or the Seven of Nine of the Star Wars universe.
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Little? You bursted into an irrational SW vs ST rant there, boy! Trust me, you do NOT want to start another one like that on canonicity, not with Kazeite around this time. B)
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