Da_bang80
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quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Well take Voyager itself - it's truly disgusting the amount of internal inconsistancey in the show and sometimes within the ONE EPISODE
Ya know whats really truly disgusting? How star trek managed to weasel it's way into a star wars topic...
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quote:Originally posted by Kazeite: Oh yeah, and there's still that scene in Cloud City with Han firing first and unprovoked at Vader... it definitely needs changing
I know! We also need months of stalled talks between the rebels on Yavin IV and teams of galactic weapons inspectors rebuffed before the rebels launch such an unprovoked attack of the Death Star.
...mabye sonething about Palpaltine asking Vader to kill him as a mercy killing for his Alsheimers disease, so Vader is not seen throwing an old man to his death....
...and that scene of Leia kissing Luke HAS TO GO.
It offends my PC Christian morals.
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And that of Minutiaeman and the other Mac Christians.
quote:he contemplated filming a coda to the Sarlacc sequence for the special edition, where we see Fett escaping the pit. It wasn't filmed because there's really no place in the movie to put it...unless you stick it at the end of the credits, but Star Wars movies aren't like that.
I can totally see it; a slimy, ragged person crawling up along the side of the pit as the credits roll in the foreground. Then, as he grabs the ledge, Martin Crane and Roz walk by while talking and unknowingly step on Fett's hand, causing him to fall back in again.
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I like how, in the Star Wars movies, there's no reason to think that Boba Fett is anything other than a bodyguard working for Jabba the Hutt. And yet no one seems to be clamoring for Star Wars product about Weequay or Pig Man #2 or the robotic spider. (Yes, yes, that book where even the weird frog thing gets a short story, I know.)
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I would'nt say that- he backtalks Vader! Lets see some imperial say shit like "He's no good to me dead." and then not flinch as Vader turns sharply on him.
I just really really wish they had not dubbed his voice over in the latest edition with the actor that played Jango- Jeremy Brett's chain-smoker rasp made the character of Boba Fett for me.
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Da_bang80
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I've been thinking about this canon/non-canon issue for a while now and I've come up with a solution that pleases me. I have decide that everything that has occured in the movies is canon and everything that occurs in the star wars extended universe is also canon, even if george lucas himself says otherwise. The trick is finding a compromise in the descrepencies between the movies and the books. Such as the death star issue. The books claim that the Death Star was designed by Bevel Lemilisk in the Maw installation headed by Grand Moff Tarkin. The movies claim it was designed by those geonosian bug dudes and the CIS. I claim that the Death star was designed by Bevel lemilisk and the bug dudes and then the prototype was created at the maw before the final death star was built of the planet Despayre. Everything included in the movies and the books is still star wars to me. Just like there is no light side or dark side of the Force. It's just the Force, with the dark side being inside the individual. There is no movie Star Wars and EU Star Wars. It's just Star Wars. I don't claim to be the biggest Star Wars geek on the forum (I may very well be, i dunno) But I do claim to be ONE of the biggest Star Wars geeks on this forum. Having read just about every novel at least 4 times.
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I think anything with a planet named "Despayre" is so laughably lame that Lucas should shun the expanded universe stuff at all costs.
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quote:I have decide that everything that has occured in the movies is canon and everything that occurs in the star wars extended universe is also canon, even if george lucas himself says otherwise.
Lucas' said that, "There are two worlds here. There�s my world, which is the movies, and there�s this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe�the licensing world of the books, games and comic books. They don�t intrude on my world, which is a select period of time, [but] they do intrude in between the movies. I don�t get too involved in the parallel universe." Lucas Licensing, Ltd.'s Sue Rostini said, "Gospel, or canon as we refer to it, includes the screenplays, the films, the radio dramas and the novelizations. These works spin out of George Lucas' original stories, the rest are written by other writers... The entire catalog of published works comprises a vast history�with many off-shoots, variations and tangents�like any other well-developed mythology."
I don't believe that Lucas was saying that the EU didn't "really" happen, but that it has no bearing on those particular stories that he has personally written. Lucas' comments seem to stem from a complete indifference to the EU, which is most dramatically shown by another statement that "I don't read that stuff". I'm under the impression that Lucas created the Star Wars universe to tell the story of Anakin Skywalker, and that's it. Anything outside of Anakin's story has therefore been handed off to other people (e.g. "They don�t intrude on my world, which is a select period of time..."). Having given all authority with regards to the Star Wars universe outside of his six stories to other people, I'm more inclined to listen to their statements regarding what-outside of the movie saga-is canon than anything Lucas has said. The Star Wars universe has grown beyond Lucas, much as the Star Trek franchise grew beyond Gene Roddenberry.
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Da_bang80
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I agree. I'm just saying that for me, everything is Star Wars. the books, movies, games, comics and whatever the hell else was made that has that logo on it. For me it's all the same storyline. from even before the prequels such as the Great Hyperspace War, the Mandalorian Wars and the Jedi Civil War, through the prequels, the original movies, and into the New Republic and the New Jedi order. It's all the same to me. Less headaches that way.
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Boba Fett doesn't sass Darth Vader any more than that one random Imperial does in the first movie, and not the one who gets choked.
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Mabye "sass" is not the best term- he's not real intimidated by him though. Mabye its' a "I remember you [i]when[/i"] kind of thing.
I think the most imporntant pieces of SW canon are the Christmas special (Boba Fett's first appearance, I think) and the oh-so-shity Droids Cartoon (which is like TAS for Trek, but slightly more believable).
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quote:Originally posted by Kazeite: Even KJA books?
I dunno. Possibly, if you didn't have the acronym. It'd be easier for me to list which books I didn't read. That list is far shorter than the list of books I have read.
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What you want to take as being "Star Wars" is entirely up to you. But you can't start arguing about "personal canon", as there is no such thing. Lucus says that the movies are canon (and, more specifically, only the most recent versions of them), and that everything else is in another universe. So they're consistent within themselves, but the movies have no obligation to follow them. That seems, to me, to make them fairly obviously non-canon.
quote:Originally posted by Veers: Why then, I wonder, do we consider things on LCARS screens in "Star Trek" to be canon--when sometimes they are barely to not at all visible--but not the Outrider from ANH?
We don't. If anything, we treat them the same way that stuff from the books is treated. "Oh, isn't this nice extra information that may or may not be true."
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