Topic: Some Rank Continuity In "All Good Things..."
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I watched "All Good Things..." yesterday and noticed for the first time that in each of the segments occuring in the 'past', Data's rank is Lt. JG. I haven't pulled out "Encounter at Farpoint" to see if they were simply repeating the error for the sake of constancy, but I don't ever recall noticing this goof in the actual pilot.
Has anybody noticed this before or know the story behind it?
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'twas a mistake
and it wasnt like that in Encounter at Farpoint
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Yah, it was a mistake. Data was always a Lt. Commander during TNG. Didn't Picard even call him "Commander Data" in All Good Things?
I guess the one slim explanation was that, since all the events in All Good Things took place before the events of Encounter at Farpoint, perhaps in the real timeline Data was promoted from LT. J.G. directly to Lt. Commander en route to Farpoint. The problem is, Data later says that he spent time in the "Lt. grades"... implying he was both a junior and full lt. at some point.
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Actually, I'd say it's even more likely that they'd make it then, considering that everyone would have been stretched to breaking point not only trying to do the mammoth amount of work needed for a season (and series) finale, but they'd have also been swamped preparing for Generations. So it's not surprising that they might have failed to notice something so blatent.
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What's more amazing still is that the same mistake showed up in every scene with the EaF version of Data. I can see them making the mistake during one day of shooting... but to make the same mistake during every day that those scenes were being shot is quite a feat.
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Speaking of "All Good Things", I was thumbing through the transcripts for it and noticed a scene that was cut from it I thought would be interesting to point out:
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PICARD (in the "Past") Mister O'Brien... how big is the anomaly?
O'BRIEN (works) Approximately four hundred million kilometers in diameter, sir.
PICARD I still don't understand why it's larger here...
O'Brien gives him a puzzled look -- he doesn't know what the hell Picard is talking about, but decides not to pursue it. Worf suddenly reacts to something on the aft console. WORF Captain... there are five Terrellian transport ships holding position in the Devron system.
TASHA We're being hailed by the lead ship.
PICARD On screen.
INCLUDE VIEWSCREEN (OPTICAL) Which now shows a Terrellian pilot named ANDRONA.
ANDRONA Enterprise, you are a welcome sight. We've been receiving threats from the Romulan Empire ever since we entered the Neutral Zone. I'm glad to see you're here to protect us.
PICARD Why have you come here?
Androna's expression brightens a little.
ANDRONA We heard about the Light... from a merchant ship who told us about the power it has to heal illness... to rejuvenate the elderly... and we had to come here.
The others on the Bridge look a little confused...they've never heard about any of this.
PICARD We can't really be certain that the... Light... has this power. And there may be dangers, side effects we're not aware of...
ANDRONA I have five ships full of sick and dying people, Captain. If there's even a chance it's true, I can't turn back now.
PICARD It would be safer for all concerned if you left the Neutral Zone... and let us investigate the phenomenon more fully.
ANDRONA No. I've come too far.
Picard is frustrated, but has no authority to order them away.
PICARD I warn you that if the Romulans should decide to intervene, I may not be able to protect you.
ANDRONA I understand. We'll take that risk. (beat, then smiles) Good luck, Captain.
The Transmission ENDS. Picard thinks for a moment, then heads for the Ready Room.
PICARD (to Tasha) You have the Bridge, Lieutenant. I'll be in my Ready Room.
TASHA Aye, sir.
Picard EXITS briskly to the Ready Room.
Now its been quite a while since Ive seen the finale in its entirety, but that was indeed cut, was it not? I believe the transcript version in question is March 10, 1994...2+ months before its airing.
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That scene was never in the full two-hour version, no.
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quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: What's more amazing still is that the same mistake showed up in every scene with the EaF version of Data. I can see them making the mistake during one day of shooting... but to make the same mistake during every day that those scenes were being shot is quite a feat.
I dunno. Maybe they just never took his pips off his uniform when Brent undressed at the end of the day. Or maybe all his "past" scenes were shot in one day.
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quote:Originally posted by Peregrinus: The hell...? The Tarellians we saw in "Haven" didn't have four arms.
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And that's probably why the scene was cut.
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quote:Originally posted by OnToMars: Well, I realize he was supposed to be Lt. Cmdr, but it seems odd that they should make that kind of glaring error in the season finale.
There's an even more glaring error in 'Generations'. In the scene where Picard beams down to Veridian III to stop Soran, the mighty captain doesn't have a combadge on. It's on when he beams down, and he has it in the Nexus with Kirk. It's mysteriously gone when he's down on the planet. Now projected onto huge theatre screens, THAT'S a glaring error!
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It might not be an error seeing as Picard most likely went over to Lursa and B'Etor's ship first because he didn't know exactly where Soran was (and because when he does materialize, it's from a Klingon transporter... you'll note the different effects used). When he did arive on their ship, they probably took his commbadge so that he couldn't contact the Enterprise. When he's in the Nexus, he's probably imagining he still has the badge for completeness' sake.
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