I know it's not as detailed as usual, just a basis for discussions. Maybe someone with better 3D imagination can correct it if necessary. Length estimation: 85m.
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Ever since that matt painting in "The Raven" Voyager season 4 - I have assumed that "The Raven" is just an ambassador era for the Sydney class ship seen in "Relics" "Emissary" "Trials and Tribblations" etc.
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Well, not for their day. The Danube class runabout is equipped with newer technologies, such as interchangable modules, that allows it to be smaller. Actually, I think the the Maquis raider was origninally a runabout. B'Lanna said it was sixt years old, so it might have been the runabout for the 2310's.
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The Danube Class 'Runabouts' are way too small to be the later Sydney Class ships, - the sydney class has several decks - and a constitution sized bridge on top of it, with constiution nacelles.
also, sometimes the DS9 people turn the Sydney class upside down, to make it look like Danubes, but maybe that is just a different internal configuration - or that there is no right way up in space
Andrew
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The rightside up Sydney model is a completely different ship then the upside down and backwards one. The Sydney is a starship in its own right, while the second one is much smaller, and aside from a resembalance to the the Sydney class, isn't meant to have anything in common with it. Or so I gather.
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Tachy: Thanks for the additional images. I had no close side view so far. This will help me to refine the schematic. Looks as if the ship were a bit more stretched than I thought.
Lindsly: Welcome to the forum. The Sydney is more than 200m long and is anything but a runabout. The Raven has 4 decks and would be too big as well.
Sol System: It was the obvious intention of the DS9 VFX crew to make the Sydney look like a different design by turning it upside down. Is the DS9 version necessarily a smaller ship? That would bless us with a new scaling discussion.
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Bernd: Your estimation of the size for the Sydney Class I believe is in error. In the movie Generations, the producers had the Whorfin Class transport and shots of the USS Enterprise-B were done CGI. A scene of the shuttlecraft on the USS Enterrpise-D was done in matte. All other shots of starships and shuttlecraft were done with studio models. What studio models were available at the time?
*Ambassador Class *Antares Class *B'Rel Class/K'Vort Class (D-12 Class) *Class 6 (Hawking) *Class 7 *Class 15 *Constellation Class *Constitution Class *D'Deridex Class *D'Kora Class *Daedalus Class *Danube Class *Defiant Class *Encyc Class *Excelsior Class (Refitted Enterprise-B) *Galaxy Class (Enterprise-D) *K'T'Inga Class *Merchantman *Miranda Class (Unnamed) *Nebula Class (Farrugut) *Oberth Class (Unnamed) *Peregrine Class *Soyuz Class *Sydney Class (Farrugut shuttle) *Vor'Cha Class and other small models
According to the Encyclopedias, the shuttle in The Undiscovered Country (NAR-25820), the starship Jenolen, and the USS Nash (DS9) are Sydney Class. This class is said to be an early runabout. I associate the Farrugut shuttle with the Sydney Class based on structural and other similarities. One of the similarities is the placement of the registry on the left-most stern section of the shuttle's hull. Another similarity is the black "grating" seen on the stern of these ships. One last point-a ship map on the USS Jenolen's bridge shows that a Sydney Class ship has three decks. In the movie Generations, the Farrugut shuttle (number 4)is seen approaching and landing on the Enterprise-D primary hull. Number 4 lands parallel to a Class 6 starship shuttlecraft. Number 4 shuttle is twice the length of the class 6 starship shuttlecraft. This would make the length of the Sydney Class transport and shuttlecraft no more than 60 meters. Why doesn't the Sydney Class land at one of the runabout pads at Deep Space Nine? The warp nacelles add width to the Sydney Class ship. With new dimensions, a Sydney Class ship would not be able to land due to space limitations. From available evidence, the Sydney Class is a very limited ship. If not provided with warp engines, the Sydney Class ship is an upgraded shuttle with very limited range. This class can be launched from a planetary base (The Undiscovered Country) or from a starship (Generations). When a Sydney Class ship is outfitted with warp engines, the range of the ship is increased. A runabout's speed is less than that of a starship translating to longer periods spent in a ship. This could explain the multiple decks found on the USS Jenolen and the USS Nash. There are sections of the ship which are devoted to the care of the passengers. Time Line- 2280's USS Sydney is commissioned 2293 Shuttle (NAR-25820) 2294 USS Jenolen (NCC-2010) 2370 USS Nash (NCC-2010-B) 2371 Shuttle (NCC-60597/04) 2375 Last known sighting of a Sydney Class ship ("Chrysalis")
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Er...the only problem being that what the Sydney uses for impulse engines, the shuttle uses for windows. I'd say that throws a bit of a monkey wrench into the idea of them being the same thing...unless I misunderstand what you're driving at.
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