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Chapter 1, 001.39, on the DVD of this episode the ship list can be seen clearly. The registries are: NCC-1708 NCC-1831 NCC-1703 NCC-1672 NCC-1664 NCC-1697 NCC-1701 NCC-1718 NCC-1685 NCC-1700
A majority of these ship's registries can be identified with known ships. NCC-1831 USS Intrepid NCC-1703 USS Hood NCC-1672 USS Exeter NCC-1664 USS Excalibur NCC-1697 USS Essex NCC-1701 USS Enterprise NCC-1700 USS Constitution
The other three are unidentified.
An idea In the late 2250's or early 2260's, the Miranda Class starship is commissioned. One of the first ships of this class is the USS Lantree NCC-1837. She served Starfleet for over a hundred years when she is destroyed by the USS Enterprise NCC-1701-D. At this point of her career, she is downrated to a Class 6 carrier.
I understand that the USS Carolina is identified as a Daedalus Class starship in the Omnipedia because of her presumed function-that of a freighter. An interpretation of this vessel's career based on Mr. Okuda's facts. She is commissioned in the 2160's and serves to 2196 when her class is retired. Decades later, she is refitted to the position of a freighter and is serving Starfleet in that capacity in 2266. When viewed with the USS Lantree's career and the perceived facts of the Daedalus Class, this may make sense. However, a major issue arises. Why would a freighter patrol the Neutral Zone? This is the stated position of this ship in "Friday's Child".
Based on the available evidence now at hand, I believe the USS Carolina could be a Miranda Class starship possibly with one of the registries mentioned above. (The registry of the USS Miranda is not known.) She is not identified as a Constitution Class starship in the Making of Star Trek.
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NCC-1708 I believe was supposed to be NCC-1709 for the USS Lexington, or vice-versa.
Also, the USS Intrepid should be NCC-1631, not NCC-1831. It's possible that there are two seperate ships, or that the Encyclopedia was right all along, and USS Intrepid should have been NCC-1831.
And, are you sure that is the entire list? Because, I recall there being an NCC-1665, NCC-1667, NCC-1705, and NCC-1710 (which belongs to USS Kongo)
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Are you absolutely certain it says 1831 on screen? I mean, all the other numbers are 16xx and 17xx, and the Encyclopedia repeatedly suggests that the Intrepid was NCC-1631, only saying 1831 once.
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I reviewed the scene in question repeatedly. I will modified my statements. The first registry is NCC-1709, not NCC-1708. As for the registry NCC-1831, I stand by my original position. The second number is clearly a eight with the "sides" closed and a line appearing midway connecting the "sides". Further, the sixes have a small separation on the right hand side which is missing from the NCC-1831. This refutes the encyclopedia. If others have the dvd, please check for the accuracy of my statements.
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So regardless of what ship names we assign to these registries, it would seem that 1800-range registries were in use in Starfleet in the mid-2260s. That gives at least some support to the idea that the Mirandas we see could be refitted versions of TOS era designs...
Interesting how there are five numbers in the "traditional" Constitution range, a bit over 1700, four numbers just below that, and one number in the 1800s. The curiously small range of the numbers makes one think that there is something to the concept that these all are ships of the same class.
Then again, the small range of numbers might be because ships of roughly similar design age are likely to enter a period of refitting and upgrading at the same time. But the Enterprise is on that list as well - and she was only in for random repairs, not scheduled refitting.
Also, it's worth noting that a solid brass plate on the wall probably isn't the likeliest way to list ships currently docked. The list would have to be about something that ties together all those ships more or less permanently.
What WAS that brass plate about? Was there any header, any explanation of the contents? Does Frank have a screencap?
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Maybe it was a computer monitor made to look like a brass plate. Maybe it was one of those screen savers that takes what's already on the screen and does stuff to it. :-)
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I'll try getting an image if I get the DVD, which I hope to do.
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In tech fandom, classes such as the Coventry and Surya were direct precursors of the Miranda. So the tech fandom timeline goes, these were refitted as Avenger class, and Avenger class ships were refitted as Miranda.
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Of course, in actual Trek, they don't seem to do this, meaning that they would all be called Miranda.
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But since the Surya NCCs are higher than those of the Miranda class Lantree, one could easily say that there was a TOS-style Miranda class that preceded the Surya class, and both of these (sub)classes were subsequently refitted to a Reliant-style configuration, including the Avenger and Cyane and Endurance and whatnot subclasses.
Since USS Miranda would be the most senior of the ships (at NCC-1833, probably, so as not to contradict the other fanfic regos), Starfleet would pull the same trick they did with the refitted Constitutions, i.e. call all the modernized subclasses by the common name Miranda.
Of course, one could counter-argue that the Constitution isn't necessarily the oldest ship in the Constitution class (since she isn't the lowest-numbered), so the Miranda need not be, either. But I feel it would be simplest to assume that USS Miranda, NX-1833, already existed during TOS...
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Of course, one could also argue that the Constitution must be the lowest-numbered of its class, and, hence, there was a predecessor to the 1700. I still don't see why everyone finds that such a difficult idea to accept...
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If there was a pre-TOS-era Miranda counterpart, I bet it looked just like Baloo's "Pre-Oberth Research Frigate" in the DA&C Forum.
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The Constitution has 1700. Why do other Constitution-Class-ships have lower numbers? The Starfleet Technical Manual gives numbers from 1700 to 1711 for the Constitution-Class. This sounds much better.
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