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I am just tring to get this clear. There are 4-5 Dominion ships right? The attack ship (aka Jemmie Buggie), Heavy Cruiser (V-Wing), Battlecruiser, (aka Battlecruiser), and the Battleship (aka F**king Large Ship) In some sites they say there the Valaint battleship has a larger varient too?
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Matrix: Yes, you're right. When the Dominion fleet came through the wormhole, the ships consisted of the "bugs" and the "V-wings." When Dukat and Weyoun visited DS9 (sorry, don't remember episode names), they used the battlecruiser type. Finally, the Valiant episode introduced the battleship prototype.
I haven't heard anything about a battleship variant.
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That's five different designs, not counting the Battlecruiser's possible status as two different-sized ships. I am quite positive there is no Battleship variant.
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There are only 3 different shapes of ships: 1: The Bug. 2: The main battle ship. 3: The big one seen in 'Valiant' and later in 'What You Leave Behind'. Scaling is almost identical in both episodes (And yes, I know that this doesn't match with the "twice the size of the Galaxy Class", but did you see the surpriced faces when they saw the ship in 'Valiant' for the first time?).
The confussion is that there were 3 different models used for the main battle ship.
In chron. order: 1: CGI #1, seen from 'In Purgatory's Shadow' until 'Call to Arms'. This is also known as the V-ship type. 2: Physical model, seen in various stock footage scenes docked at DS9. Also used in 'Call to Arms'. 3: CGI #2. Introduced in 'Sacrifice of Angels'. Wings matched the physical model, where the nacelles are more in line with the massive middle torpedo launcher (or whatever it is). Wings are curved a little, while the model has straigth wings.
In 'Call to Arms' both the first CGI and the physical model are used.
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Another thing...we've never seen the battlecruisers fire energy-weapons (phased polaron-beams?), have we? Just their version of quantum torp's.
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The Bugs fired 'bolts' at the Odessey. A main battle ship fired at least 2 beams at the Defiant when it left DS9 with the Bird of Prey in 'Call to Arms'. The beams both came from the top side at about the same location as torpedo launcher.
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Possibly the Federation now has shields that can withstand most of the danage done by poloron weapons. So the battlecruiser has to fire torpedoes instead becuase their once great weapon is now nothing more than your average weapon. The attack ships use this alot becuase their small size would indicate that they would either have a small torpedo complement or don't have one at all.
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The V-ship, battlecruiser and "battlebattlecruiser" are, as far as the scripts are concerned, all the same ship. But their design and scale differences suggest they can't be brushed aside like the multitudinous Nebula variations, and are indeed seperate ships. The V-ship is not likely to be longer than 400m, and the "battlebattlecruiser" (sole appearance: SofA) is not likely to be shorter than 800m, with the standard battlecruiser fitting somewhere in the middle (barring the one appearance in SofA when it was shorter than the Galors). BTW, both the standard and the "battlebattlecruiser" appear in SofA. The "battlebattlecruiser" is the different ship the Defiant flies over at the end.
BTW, there's a CGI for all three ships (and the Valiant superbattleship, too), plus a physical model of the standard battlecruiser.
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Are these Jem'Hadar battlecruiser versions really supposed to be different designs? Maybe this was just a fault in the cgi-department or their schematics were not very accurate. I like to think that these ships were supposed to be different configurations, like the miranda-class. Maybe one version was built for speed, one for extra firepower and so on...
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Okay: Real world: 3 different models (Bug, main ship, Valiant type), of which the main ship has 3 different models, two CGI and one physical. These 3 models are indeed somewhat different, mostly in the curving of the wings and the pink and purple lights.
Star Trek: I think it's similar to the Klingon Bird of Prey. I also like to think that that 'thing' on the bottom center of the main ship is modular.
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So, if Starfleet could have a fleet well above the tens of thousands? I still support the idea that Starfleet might have a fleet about 10,000 ships spread all over their territory. Only reason why we haven't seen that many ships becuase it would take months to reach the battlefield from the other side of Federation territory.
30,000 ships? If Starfleet could build that many ships, Klingons, Romulans, Ferengi, and the Cardassions would be the intertgalactic INSECTS. But that would politically incorrect for that day and age.
Weyoun did say that the Dominion would need a large fleet to invade the Federation all the way to Earth.
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