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At the end of Generations, we have two Sydneys on the wreck of the saucer of the Enterprise-D. They appear to just be shuttles and painted blue. Well, while checking out my new DVD of this scene and going frame by frame, the first shuttle that flies by the screen has a readable registry. At least, sort of...
First, the shuttle's clearly say NCC- at the beginning of this, so we don't have to argue that. The first number that EASILY stands out is the last digit, a 7. The first digit, although blurry, appears to be a 6. Noticing this, it immediatly comes to my attention that these digits coincide with the USS Farragut NCC-60597, which was orbiting the planet at the end. Checking the middle numbers, the 2nd digit is definatly a 0, and the 3rd digit also looks like a 5. The 4th digit is a bit hard to see, but since we've matched 4 of the 5 digits of the Farragut, my assumption is that this is indeed a 9. The shuttle appears to have a name on the back, under the engines, but it could either be the shuttle name or it could just say "Farragut", I can't see it clearly.
Therefore, these are not indendent starships, these are shuttles belonging to the Farragut, although I'd rather call them Runabouts due to their size. Makes sense too, a TNG-era Runabout. Too bad we never saw any besides this.
Another Trek query solved...
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We could say that the shuttle in "Skin of Evil" was the TNG era equivalent to runabouts - big badass nacelles, door-separated control cabin, big aft window, runs a true interstellar warp-speed errand as opposed to the arguably merely interplanetary errands of the lesser shuttle types... The design would be to Danubes exactly what the early dustbuster phaser is to current type 2 phasers - somewhat bulkier, much more rounded, with less surface detail. Too bad we never see the forward part of the craft from the outside.
OTOH, I'd hate to call the "mini-Sydneys" in "Generations" as actual runabouts, since they lack outriggered warp nacelles. I'm not sure I'd accept the underbelly protrusions as warp engines, either. The only familiar elements there are the Bussard domes, and even those face aft. These could be large sublight barges or low-warp shuttles rather than medium-warp runabouts.
The coloration raises a question: could these be special "diplomatic" craft, to explain the unusual pomp and grandeur of the blue-and-red stripes? The Farragut's equivalent to the Captain's Yacht or something? (And what prompted the modelers to repaint the shuttles in the first place? Did they tear apart the Sydney model and reinstall the big windows, then paint everything over to cover the seams?)
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I�m sorry, The359, but after watching the particular scene in Star Trek Generation, I could not confirm your observation. In my opinion, the second last digit on the hull can not be a 9! After using the zoom-function of my DVD-Player, I�m sure, that number is either 5 or 6.
If this is true, the shuttle cannot be from the USS Farragut (NCC-60597).
Maybe this is a complete new registry and the shuttle has it�s own one, or (and I like this idea) this registry will give us a hint of the registry of one of the remaining starships orbiting the planet!
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Where did we hear about the USS Valiant NCC-20000? The registry is a bit out of place for the Oberth class. And where did this name pop up, a model or something? Unless have proof that this ship was in fact labeled that in "Generations," I will still say it's name and number is unknown.
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I've always thought that those shuttles were CGI since we saw the Sydney Class in later episodes of DS9. Anyway, for all we know, those shuttles came from the Miranda Class instead of the Farragut. And doesn't the Nebula Class have the same Captain's Yacht as the Galaxy Class?
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The U.S.S. Valiant NCC-20000 was an Oberth studio model that was used by ILM in the film. (This is from the TV show "Movie Magic" or something like that, a documentary about ILM and special effects. The model was shown in the program.) And since there's only one Oberth in the movie that we know of, that is assumed to be the Valiant.
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As to the question of the mini-Sydneys, they do seem to be used mainly for executive and diplomatic purposes, (as per STVI) and the blue coloration does seem to convey that feeling, as does the UFP seal painted on the side.
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I may be wrong...but I don't think the shuttles in Generations had the UFP symbol on them though...
My guess is that these shuttles are multipurpose craft...some are for cargo...some are for personel, some are for diplomatic missions. The interiors can probably be changed as needed.
Given the fact that we saw them helping to evacuate the wreckage of the Ent. D...it seems likely that they were there to transport the crew or cargo.
quote: I may be wrong...but I don't think the shuttles in Generations had the UFP symbol on them though...
thats probably because the "Generations" exec-shuttles are from a starship while the one in STVI is assigned to either Spacedock 1, UFP HQ or perhaps its just a fed-civilian vessle opperating out of earth in general. How ever the callsign "SD103" would suggest its a civilian shuttle attached to the Spacedock facility.
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Right, but this thread is about the ones in Generations. MMoM said that the seal on the side suggested diplomatic use...I'm saying that since not all of them have thaton the side, they probably are used for a variety of functions other than just diplomatic transport.
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Well excuuuuuuse me. I would've known, except all those old threads about the Valiant have been taken out. Anything before "Endgame" is gone, because of the huge upgrade this site had. (Of course, you can't blame anyone that has that little smiley face there, can you?) As for the Sydneys, wasn't the "Hawking" shuttle in that scene? The Encyclopedia says it is, but of a different design than the series. Could it be a Sydney?
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The Hawking was a lengthened Type 6 shuttle that harkens back to the ST5 shuttles. It was seen swinging by about to pick up Picard right after he buried Kirk. It's the very first shuttle we see. The scene in question is at the beginning of Picard's last log entry voiceover.
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As for the 4th digit, I don't know. It does appear to be more like a 5 or a 6, but for all we know, the "back" of the 9 could be missing because of the motion blur. Look at the front of the Cs in NCC, they vertical part fades out depending on when you pause it.I'd still be a lot easier if it were just a 9, and it fit perfectly with the Farragut.
As for the emblems, the shuttle has a STARFLEET logo on top (white arrowhead with red circle and two trailing red lines). I also noticed immedialy below the registry number are 4 oval holes, most likely windows, but they sit farther back then the ones on the NAR-25820, and also appear smaller.
As for these being independent ships with their own number, highly unlikely, because we would have seen them leaving with the other ships at the end. OK, so if they aren't independent starships, they must be shuttles and are stored in the shuttlebays of 1 of the 3 ships. Well, it can't be Valiant because she's NCC-20000, wrong number. The Miranda is a maybe, but having a Miranda with a registry above 60000 is VERY inpractical. Therefore, they are most likely attached to the Farragut, and should have the same registry.
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quote: As for these being independent ships with their own number, highly unlikely, because we would have seen them leaving with the other ships at the end. OK, so if they aren't independent starships, they must be shuttles and are stored in the shuttlebays of 1 of the 3 ships. Well, it can't be Valiant because she's NCC-20000, wrong number. The Miranda is a maybe, but having a Miranda with a registry above 60000 is VERY inpractical. Therefore, they are most likely attached to the Farragut, and should have the same registry.
Let us not forget the minor detail that, if Oberths have a shuttlebay at all, it is a very small one & couldn't possibly hold this thing. Also the Miranda my be physicaly ably to accomodate such a large craft, i dount it would have the facilities to support such a large auxilery vessle. The Nebula-class however most likely has the same cavernous shuttle bay as the Galaxy-Class...who knows, some of these shuttles/transports could have been labeled up as belonging to the Enterprise-D, unless of course they were all the same model.
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