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anyone remember the 3 paradox that the commander talked to seven of nine about in "relativity"
this was when seven was just brought aboard the ships and he was bringing her up to code. there were 3 temperal paradox that he talked about. anyone remember them? i have a small debate thing on what would happen if someone did go back in time on another forum
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Lieutenant Ducane asks her about the Dali paradox and the Pogo paradox, and afterward she adds her own example of the Pogo paradox: the Seven of Nine paradox.
Ducane: Let's see how much you've assimilated. The Dali paradox. Seven: Also known as the melting clock effect. It refers to a temporal fissure which slows the passage of time to a gradual halt. Ducane: The Pogo paradox. Seven: A causality loop in which interference to prevent an event actually triggers the same event. [a couple minutes later] Seven: The Seven of Nine paradox. Ducane: I beg your pardon? Seven: How do we know that my presence on Voyager will not alter the timeline?
-------------------- Picard: Mr. Crusher, what's our maximum speed this week? Wesley: [checking manual] Uh, 9.4, sir. Picard: Very good. Take us to Warp 9.8 then. Wesley: Aye, sir. Warp 9.2 it is.
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Please tell me you did not recite that from memory.
-------------------- Justice inclines her scales so that wisdom comes at the price of suffering. -Aeschylus, Agamemnon
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-------------------- Picard: Mr. Crusher, what's our maximum speed this week? Wesley: [checking manual] Uh, 9.4, sir. Picard: Very good. Take us to Warp 9.8 then. Wesley: Aye, sir. Warp 9.2 it is.
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I'm pretty sure it's named after the comic.
-------------------- Picard: Mr. Crusher, what's our maximum speed this week? Wesley: [checking manual] Uh, 9.4, sir. Picard: Very good. Take us to Warp 9.8 then. Wesley: Aye, sir. Warp 9.2 it is.
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According to Wikipedia, it's called the Pogo paradox in Star Trek for Pogo saying "We have met the enemy and he is us".
-------------------- Picard: Mr. Crusher, what's our maximum speed this week? Wesley: [checking manual] Uh, 9.4, sir. Picard: Very good. Take us to Warp 9.8 then. Wesley: Aye, sir. Warp 9.2 it is.
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They would be different paradoxi. The grandfather paradox involves eliminating yourself from the timeline by killing a relative in the past. The Pogo paradox apparently involves *causing* an event by attempting to stop it.
My resolution of the grandfather paradox is this: You travel back in time and kill your grandfather, or in some other manner prevent him from meeting your grandmother and fathering your parent. At the moment you cause that interference in the timeline, you disappear from the timeline. The only portion of the timeline you will now exist in is from the moment you arrived in the past, to the moment you changed the original timeline. This of course requires the timeline to be viewed form an outside observer, since you would obviously have had a birth, childhood, and early adulthood before arriving in the past. But upon disruption of the timeline, that past is erased from the future. Unscientific? Absolutely.
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Well, the grandfather paradox has two resolutions: it depends upon whether you go with the single timeline theory, or many worlds.
If there's only one timeline, you simply cannot kill your own grandfather before he sires your parent. No matter how many times you try, something will stop you. Because, even before you went back in time, you'd already failed. Since there's only one timeline, history is immutable. You're sitting here in 2004, preparing to step into your time machine and go kill your grandfather in 1930. But, 1930 already happened. You were there (having just arrived from 2004 in your time machine), and you obivously failed to kill him, since you were still born later on.
In the many worlds theory, the timeline in which you were born and the timeline in which you killed your grandfather are separate. So there's no paradox there, either.
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quote:Originally posted by deadcujo: According to Wikipedia, it's called the Pogo paradox in Star Trek for Pogo saying "We have met the enemy and he is us".
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