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This set assumes that the bridge seen in Yesterdays Enterprise was actually a battlebridge or auxilliary control room, and NOT the main bridge of that ship. I think that is far more logical considering it's place in the design lineage and it's size. The set seen in that episode was way too utilitarian even compared to the TMP bridge.
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Awesome, really terrific. Certainly can't fault the modelling/rendering. Some of the consoles are perhaps a little too close to the Galaxy Class style, but that aside, it really is great.
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Am I imagining things, or is that a redress of the ST:V bridge?
Not that I'm complaining... just observing.
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quote:Originally posted by MinutiaeMan: Am I imagining things, or is that a redress of the ST:V bridge?
Not that I'm complaining... just observing.
That's exactly what it is. I would argue that that is exactly what it _should_ be, as the ST5 bridge was _way_ ahead of its time and didn't fit into the era for which it was built at all. It makes a lot more sense when you push it back fifty years and make it an intermediate design between the more utilitarian style of the late 23rd / early 24th century and the more comfortable style of the late 24th.
Compared side-by side, you can see that the Ent-C bridge is clearly a step backwards. It is too small for the ship and far too utilitarian for the era. It doesn't make a damn bit of sense at all until you start thinking of it as an aux. control room.
The ST5 set looks much more modern than the Ent-B set even, so it was the logical choice for the base of a true Ambasssador era bridge.
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Yes indeedy, I like the concept. And I'd never thought of the E-C bridge as a battle bridge / aux control set instead of the main bridge. I actually don't think that it was ever mentioned in dialogue that they were in fact on the main bridge!
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Hmm... I didn't like the design at first, probably in part because of the extreme negative connotations associated with "Star Trek V."
But you make an excellent case there. And I also never liked the "Yesterday's Enterprise" bridge -- as you say, the layout makes absolutely no sense.
I wonder, though, why the Enterprise-C would even have a "battle bridge" in the first place? The reason the Enterprise-D had one was because the ship could separate and conduct independent operations. That's (most likely) not so with the "C."
Still, nitpicking/rationalizing aside, it's a wonderful design!
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But even Federation starships need aux. control rooms just in case the main bridge is destroyed or rendered inoperable. Sure, the vessels of the 24th century can be controled just about anyway such as in main engineering (TNG) or at environmental control (Voy), but still I would think there still would be similar to what the Constitution Class had in the middle of the 24th century.
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There is indeed a precedent for having alternate control rooms dating all the way back to the Auxilliary Control room abord contitution class ships in the 2260s. There is no logical reason to assume that they would not have continued that trend throughout Starfleet's history, and plenty of reasons to assume that they would. The main bridge abord a federation starship is in a very exposed location; they'd have to have a backup in case the main ever took a direct hit (which is undoubtedly a fairly common tactic among the Fed's enemies by now). It is likely that the Ent-C's aux. control room is located somewhere near the center of the suacer section, in a similar location to that depicted in Mr Scott's Guide to the Enterprise for the Constitution refit (dead center of G deck).
It is likely that the term "Battle Bridge" is specific to the Gallaxy class alone, or perhaps just that and the Sovereign class, since those ships were design to be able to function as two seperate entities when necessary. Each section would need a fully functioning bridge with identical but completely seperate support systems. The earlier/smaller ships would not need that kind of full redundancy, but would instead have the bridge and the auxilliary control room operating off the same computer core. The auxilliary control room would serve only as a backup in case of physical damage to the main bridge itself. It wouldn't need its own seperate computer core since the ship can't function seperated.
It is likely that even the Galaxy Class starships have not one but _two_ such rooms, _in addition_ to the battle bridge - one for each section, in case either the main bridge or the battle bridge (or both) should become disabled while the ship is seperated. It is likely that such redundancy also exists on the Sovereign class, though we'll almost certainly never see it.
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Sean, I like your work and all that jazz, but don't take this the wrong way: PLEASE link your images. Not everyone has a T1 connection around here!!!!!
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I appreciate and understand your concern (I myself am a modem user here at home), but I must disagree. I see changing the images to links as a moot point, as users will inevitably click the links and download the images anyway. I think it deserves noting that this is an art forum, people browsing this forum _expect_ to be downloading images. If they wish not to wait on the images, they may certainly choose to browse only the other forums. Similarly, if they tire of waiting for my images to load when they do load the page, they are free to click the stop button at any time and read the posts without downloading the images. As a concession, however, I will of course change the old images to links when I upload new updates, as the old images will have become obselete and not need to be downloaded anyway (with newer images further down the page, it is unlikely anyone will even click the old links).
That being the case, I respectfully request you return them to embedded images as I originally had them, until such time as I post an update (when I myself will change the images to links).
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Actually, I think that Tahna was talking more about return visits, whence a low-bandwidth visitor would have to download pictures he's already seen all over again, thus slowing up the process of reading new posts...
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Actually, yeah. Sean, I love your work, but I more often than not make it a habit of avoiding your posts because I don't want to have to wait for 18 images to load inline. It makes things very difficult to read, espeically since I have a small monitor that runs at 800 x 600, & your shots are frequently larger than that.
Like I said, I love seeing your work, & I feel like a cad having to pass up the posts most times.
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