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Mark Nguyen
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If anyone knows how to do clip shows, it's SG-1. [Smile]

-Joe (Dan Castalleneta, aka Homer from "The Simpsons") is a simple barber in Indiana. He's also got the ATA gene, so when he happens across a strange stone at a garage sale seven years ago, he suddenly gets a vision of SG-1 heading to defeat Apophis way back at the end of the first season.

-What follows is the strangest concept for a clip show ever... Joe essentially gets to play Being John Malkovich in Jack's head, seeing events that SG-1 goes through as they happen. He starts telling these stories to his clients, and over the next seven years the adventures of the team consume his life. He tries to sell his ideas to magazines and such with no success, loses his wife and kid, and ultimately decides to confront Jack about this thing since no one will believe him, once he's convinced that that his visions are real.

-The whole episode is full of references and in-jokes about the whole show. I doubt I'd be able to list 'em all.

-"Wormhole X-treme!" was cancelled after one episode. Where's Martin at these days, then?

-Oddly enough, Joe had been titling his stories with the ACTUAL episode names.

-"Daniel's deeeeaaaaaad!!" [Smile]

-Jack doesn't lock his front door. This pretty well accounts for ALL the times people have snuck into his house over the years, including Kinsey last week.

-The kicker, and wierdest part of it all, is that Jack's been in proximity to a similar stone all this time, that they found on the planet that had the quantum mirror. Since then, Jack has been having similar visions about being a humble barber in Indiana. For seven years. And he never told anyone. Alrighty then... [Smile]

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That last bit had me on the floor. I love how they always manage to retroactively insert stuff into the show without ever breaking continuity, and at the same time poke fun at themselves for doing it. B)

Though, shouldn't it have been Daniel experiencing those visions? He was the one who nicked the stone, after all.

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Oh man was this a great episode. Very fun.

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Mark Nguyen
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Jack's got the ATA gene too, which is why he's the one that can use the chair and fly the puddle jumper. Daniel, while he's been ascended, didn't have the genetic makeup necessary to activate the stone.

This episode on the whole shouldn't be taken too seriously, and will fall into the same category as "Wormhole X-Treme!" and similar fan-friendly stories. They also had some great moments of the episode proper, like Joe's reaction to Daniel dying (and coming back), and later on as he "watched" a blank TV screen while the actual episode played out in his head. Fun, fun stuff.

But it's fun how they've tied up what happened to that show, and to several other things:

-How, despite having heard about them for six years, no one has seen the Furlings, and yet everyone's convinced they're cute, furry Ewok-like creatures.

-Accepting that Jonas was acutally an okay guy, but that everyone's happy that Daniel came back.

-That "The Light", "The Sentinel" and other episodes are, by iindirect admission of the writers of those episodes, not the greatest stories they'd written.

-Noticing Teal'c more subtle changes over the years - hair aside, they've really toned down his eye makeup and gold skin colouring.

-That Joe agrees with Jack how C. Montgomery Burns is a Goa'uld, following on a train of thought from "The Lost City" last year. [Smile]

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Daniel, while he's been ascended, didn't have the genetic makeup necessary to activate the stone.

So the mirror was Ancient tech, then?

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Not necessarily, since if I recall the room where they found that had artefacts from all over the place. That plus the fact that Daniel (among others) activated the mirror without possessing the ancient gene.

What I found most amusing was that the whole show was essentially about an obsessive fan.

Oh and I'm convinced the Furlings are the race which produced that amphibious bloke from season one. The one who's mate was killed at Babylon.

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Mark Nguyen
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What fate Amaroca?

I dunno - the Furlings could be any one of several nonhuman species seen but never really identified. The only real thing we know is that they were probaly humanoid, or at least human-sized, given their artifacts as seen in SG1 "Paradise Lost" (and that they participate in places like the "United Nations" facility seen in "Torment of Tantalus"). The Asgard and the Nox know who they are, but no one has had the forethought to ask either of them who they are.

For the most part, the Furlings are an unfortunate afterthought added to the Stargate canon by thte show's original writers, that the current staff don't know yet what to do with it. Sorta like the idea that three zat blasts will vaporize a target, a really dumb idea invented as a throwaway plot device so SG-1 could cover their tracks once, and rarely used since as a result.

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And the fact that it was a throwaway was nicely made fun of in Wormhole X-treme [Smile]
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Loved it. Loved this episode. Best. Clip. Show. Ever.

That scene with Daniel and Jack where Jack picks up the stone - filmed in the now - not a flashback - isn't it... Daniel's hair just didn't look like it did - his 'hair fringe' just a little too long??

Is Dan Castalaneta a Stargate fan?

And what makes the Furlings and unfortunate afterthought by the original writers!?! It's just things that writers do, peppering their stories with throw-away lines to expand the scope of their story-telling universe. Makes us all go "oooh the Furlings - I wonder who they are". Same thing done on Trek and other shows.

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Fandom seems to understand that none of the current show writers invented the Furlings, and no one has any idea who or what they are - just something the previous writers thought up and never explored before handing the show over. Plus, they think it's a silly name. [Wink]

Dan Castaleneta probably isn't a Stargate fan, but RDA is a CONSUMATE Simpsons fan. Almost every Simpsons reference in the show is thanks to his ad-libs, from "Mmmmm - Goa'uld TV" to "Mmmmm - Tuna" to any of the dozen or so times he's said "D'oh". As much as SG-1's directors can count on RDA to make wierd use of props without anyone telling him to, the writers can count on him to play with the lines in all sorts of ways. Doesn't hurt that he's an Executive Producer. [Smile]

The scene where Jack first picks up the stone is new - though it tried to keep things consistent with things like Daniel's hair and O'Neill's eyebrow. Not entirely successful, and I wonder why they did that for a 15-second scene, but...

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To make it an even better episode, of course! [Smile]

O'Neill's eyebrow???? (Sounds like some sort of medical condition) [Smile]

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Oh about this episode - I also loved Joe's kid saying Goa'uld! [Big Grin] Hammond and O'Neill can't say it! [Smile]

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Somewhere in the second or third season, O'Neil recieved a wound above his left eye. It seemed insignificant enough (enough to not remember when it happened, anyway), but ever since then, RDA has always had a tiny strip of his left eyebrow shaved off in makeup, as if there were a scar there deep enough to look apparent. They drew it back in (or didn't shave it off) for the flashback. In a fourth season episode, an android version of Jack from the first season also lacked the scar.

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Continuity X-treme!
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Indeed!!!!! What ep did he get the scar? Was it a major injury - I've never noticed - I guess you only notice when they don't keep up continuity! [Smile]

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