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Making the assumption that Palpatine is Sidious (which is a fairly forgone one) ... this does mean that Palpatine was, before his political career, a Jedi Knight, right?
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What lost 20? And, frankly, he can't really be lost -- he's the Chancellor of the Republic. At most, he just resigned his post. I'm just curious if he actually had formal Jedi training, or had some odd Sith training.
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I think that Palpatine is not known to be a Force user by the Jedi. They seem to have ignored the possibility that he's anything other than a "normal" Human. I think that he was trained by the Sith exclusively.
The most interesting thing for me is that Dooku gave away the entire plot to Obi-Wan, who of course didn't believe it. How ironic...
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quote:Originally posted by Malnurtured Snay: What lost 20?
The Lost Twenty are what the Jedi call the only 20 individuals throughout their history to leave the Order, of whom Dooku/Tyrannus is the most recent to do so.
I'd like to point out that since Palpatine is known to employ clone bodies to extend his life, we have no way of knowing just how old he *really* is. He could be as old as Yoda. (I'm not saying that's probable, just possible.)
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You know, this new trilogy calls in to doubt a lot of what the books and comics have established. The Zahn trilogy established that the Emperor chopped off Vader's hand because he tried to enlist Luke's help in overthrowing him. We know that isn't what happened.
Let's talk about what we know in reference ONLY to what we've seen on the silver screen.
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No, there's always a way of explaining things. The official stance is still that all liscenced materials (barring those which bear the Infinities logo) are canon as well. Of course, stuff get ret-conned and revamped and revised, but usually it's with an explanation that negates the contradiction.
Lucas himself is adherent to this system, and he seems to be quite careful about not doing anything that is hopelessly irreconcilable with the so-called "Expanded Universe."
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I'm a big fan of the Timothy Zahn books. So let's see what I can dig up from those stories:
- The Emperor "appropriated" the cloning facility on Wayland from "one of the old clonemasters." (Still possible, but not likely given that Palpatine himself is now in charge of the clone army.)
- The Katana fleet was part of the Old Republic's military, and disappeared "ten years before the Clone Wars broke out." (Well... maybe not, since there WAS no Old Republic military other than the Jedi!)
- Vader lost his hand as punishment for the destruction of the Death Star. (Um... no.)
- The Clone Wars were supposedly forty years before "Return of the Jedi," according to the timeline described by the Noghri, and when their planed was wasted. (Doubtful.)
- Various references implied that there was an Imperial Fleet that was separate from that of the Old Republic's. Pellaeon, for example, explicitly said that he'd served in the Imperial Fleet for fifty years. (Bzzzt. Sorry, try again?)
- Jorus C'baoth disappeared aboard the old Outbound Flight Project -- 64 years before the Empire was established. At that time, Senator/Emperor Palpatine was already in the early stages of his campaign of extermination against the Jedi.
- There was an incident involving Dark Jedi on Bpfassh around 65 years before the Empire was established. Yet the Jedi in AotC seem to have no knowledge of members of their order who had turned to the Dark Side. (Hmmm...)
So yes, some of the details may hold up, but overall, I'd say that Lucas is trampling all over the "Expanded Universe" background.
Not that I particularly care either way. It's his story, and I like some of the twists that he's throwing against earlier preconceptions.
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Hey -- with what was established about the Sith in Ep 1 ... "Always two there are, no more ... no less."
Did Yoda mean that there can only be two Dark Jedi at a time?
Or that Dark Jedi always travel in groups of two? You'll never find a Dark Jedi working by him(her)self, but with another ... and you'll never find more then two working with each other ...
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If it's only two, then Dooku must die before Vader enters the whole Dark Scene. Which seems likely. I am pointless.
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Well, the EU explanation is that there's only ever two Sith, but there can be more Dark Jedi. The Sith thing is explained because at one point, there were many Sith and they all got power-hungry and killed each other. So, there's now only ever two.
And something just occured to me. If Dooku has to be out of the picture before Vader comes along, maybe he's the one that gets killed on Dagobah, possibly by Yoda? That would give that tree the weird dark side thing that gives Luke a vision.
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Either way, Anni becomes Vader and the Republic becomes and Empire at the hands of Palpatine.
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