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I think that it is a good idea that Bush is pushing us off of a fossil-fuel based economy, but I think the change should be more aggressive, putting more money into research of new car engines and fuels and research into viable commercial fusion reactors, and for the present, the building of more nuclear fission powerplants. I mean, think of it this way: the less we use fossil fuels, the more we can move out of all those middle eastern countries, so none of their conflicts would have to concern us through deals and treaties, and they could just go at each other without us having to go in there just to protect our interests. And there are even more benefits to “clean” power technologies, such as in the form or readily available and renewable fuel, i.e. hydrogen for fusion reactors and fuel cells.
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Everyone has a different approach to this. Not everybody's approach may satisfy everyone. I'm in wait-and-see mode at the moment.
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quote:I think that it is a good idea that Bush is pushing us off of a fossil-fuel based economy...
I dodn't think that what Mr. Bush has done up to this point supports that statement.
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Well I think this, since its political, could easily devolve into a flame board discussion. Perhaps it would better be served there?
A pre-emptive strike. so to speak.
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Well, political posts in general. Everything in its place, you know. Or something.
Mr. Jack_Crusher: This doesn't count as a demerit or anything. Discuss away! Just thought I'd move it to somewhere more appropriate.
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We covered this in my "Fuel Cells!" thread. Go there.
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It just struck me...Bush doing the car fuel cell thing is like putting save the whales on the back of biggest suv you can find....you live and act one way and toss a bumper sticker at the real problem.
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And, in your problem, the "real problem" that Bush is still contributing to would be...?
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One problem is that fuel cells puts off "reforms" to the automotive industry by ten to twenty years, whereas the Clinton/Gore plan (Partnership for a New Generation of Vehicles) would've had to be in effect within the next few years.
All Bush did was buy the Automotive industry another decade or two where they can make gas-guzzlers. Let's celebrate that, let's celebrate the 150 million cars WITHOUT a fuel economy Americans'll buy between now and 2012.
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Or more specifically, he bought Big Oil another two decades. They scratched his back by buying him the Presidency, now he's scratching theirs. Lovely, isn't it?
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All Bush did was buy the Automotive industry another decade or two where they can make gas-guzzlers. Let's celebrate that, let's celebrate the 150 million cars WITHOUT a fuel economy Americans'll buy between now and 2012.
Which would be about equivalent to the 250-million somewhat-reduced emission cars that would have been produced before fuel cells were created under the Clinton plan. Or more specifically, he bought Big Oil another two decades.
That statement made little or no sense.
A) Why in the WORLD would you want to put the energy industry out of business? What about the tens of thousands of employees that'd be out of their jobs? Have you no COMPASSION!?
B) Under the Clinton order of operations, all cars would still need gasoline. Just somewhat LESS gasoline. Meaning that the evil energy industry would still do exactly what they do now. With the Bush plan, some of the energy industry's more unpleasant (though currently necessary) operations will CEASE ENTIRELY, while STILL giving the industry time to restructure itself to avoid massive layoffs when the technology arrives.
So again, what is your problem?
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The problem is that Bush canceled the Clinton/Gore plan with his. He could've kept the Clinton/Gore plan, then introduced fuel cells down the road ... instead, by completeing doing away with Clinton/Gore, he's effectively shown what he thinks of the enviornment: nothing.
quote:That statement made little or no sense.
Not surprising, since you never make any sense.
quote:Why in the WORLD would you want to put the energy industry out of business? What about the tens of thousands of employees that'd be out of their jobs? Have you no COMPASSION!?
Funny coming from a guy who supports the type of de-regulation that allowed the Enron collapse to happen.
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