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yes lets start another debate about fleet size hehehe even though we'll probably never reach a conclusion.
assuming the registeries are chronological and that each ship built goes up by 1 digit.
taking the registry of the sutherland--from another debate NCC-72015 [i know thats not the highest] lets just assume that ever since the dawn of starfleet and up till the Sutherland-starfleet have built around 72015 ships! whoa-lotta ships
now lets assume that only 1/4 of that number is still intact--meaning they haven't been lost or decomissioned and they eigther are in service or mothballed. thats around 18003 ships[almost]
now lets assume that of this number, only 1/4th are capital ships--like excelsiors,nebulas,akiras and mirandas
all others are oberths, and some small dinky science ship, transports, surveyers, maybe even runabouts.
thats 4500 capital ships is it just me or does that number makes sense as to how many ships starfleet should have
i mean for the peaceful era before wolf359 that number makes sense----those ships are scattered everywhere around a large federation and only half of them are "really" equipped for combat. making the loss of 40 ships around close to earth a very big loss.
but, now even for the dominion war-i think this number still makes sense as to how many starfleet ships should have---alot of the mirandas and excels got brought back into service.
we know of fleets--probably 10 some very big-probably around 1000 ships and some very small--just over a 100
all together take 4500 ships and divide them to 10 fleets and you get an average of 450 ships per fleet even though we know fleets varied in sizes.
makes sense when you hear the constant dialogue of portraying starfleet as always undermaned and spread thin in ships during the dominion war.
and now that i think of it, it especially makes sense that the dominion rienforcements of 2000 ships would tip the scale of the war forever not just against the fed but the combined forces of the klingons as well.... the feds can't have too many ships or a fleet of mere 2000 ships would not be that much of a death blow to the alphaquadrant.
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Now, let's assume that using a caps button would make people more inclined to read this.
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Ouch! Anyway, while your statements make sense, a far more interesting question in my opinion is just how many starbases and outposts Starfleet has. Just how many Starbase 74 types are there out there? Is DS9 really in "deep space"?
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Some food for thought: We don't know if Federation registries run on one continuum (ie no such thing as NAR-74656, NDT-74656 etc. etc.) or if Starfleet has a separate registry continuum from other Federation bodies that register ships (so we could have NCC-74656, NAR-714656 and NDT-74656)
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I think that semi-canonically the multiple-continuum theory is confirmed - some display or another already had a NAR registry that matched an existing NCC registry. I'll have to do some digging, though. Anyway, here's something that's been said many times before:
Multiple separate continuums (continuae? continui?) would make sense if one wants to hold on to chronological registries, too. We saw NARs in the 20000 range back in ST6's time, and heard of NARs in the four-digit range in pre-Federation times - the NCCs seem to be dragging behind if we take them to be even roughly chronological.
As for starbases, those apparently aren't chronological. In TOS, we had SB 200 already, and in TNG, SBs up to the high 700s - yet SB 173 only came online during the run of TNG. So either SB numbers are recycled, or then many of them were left unused originally and Starfleet is now slowly filling in the gaps. SB numbers might very well be based on sector numbers or something, instead of chronological order.
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Life's too short to hit the "shift" key, but not too short to make the above post ... ? Fascinating. Maybe your finger's too short to hit the "shift" key ...
------------------ Star Trek Gamma Quadrant Average Rated 8.32 out of 10 Smileys by Fabrux (with seven eps posted) *** "Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!" -Omega 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001 *** Card-Carrying Member of the FlareAPAO *** "I think this reason why girls don't do well on multiple choice tests goes all the way back to the Bible, all the way back to Genesis, Adam and Eve. God said, 'All right, Eve, multiple choice or multiple orgasms, what's it going to be?' We all know what was chosen" - Rush Limbaugh, Feb. 23, 1994.
So the guy can't be bothered with the CAPS or SHIFT keys, is that a crime? The last time I checked, it was not. Leave him alone please, we can do without another slagging off match like this Darkstar issue. (Nothing personal JeffKardde, but honestly is it such a big deal whether a person uses CAPS or not?)
With that out of the way and off my chest, I'd like to add a little fact that may have been missed. Just prior to the Defiant entering the wormhole to meet the Dominion fleet, there were approximately 2,800 ships on their way through the wormhole. 2,800!
I'd like to know what percentage of the Dominion fleet that those 2,800 were allocated. If it was 1% then the Dominion fleet = 280,000 ships, and that's a lot of ships! And if the Dominion can have that many, what's stopping the Federation from doing the same?
Oh yes, don't forget scrapped/failed prototypes. If they were given a registry number and then not used, that might account for the large 75*** numbers seen near the end of DS9 series 7. Or did you already mention that? Probably!
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grrrr and i thought you were just joshing with me.
JeffKardde hey if you can't make sense of what i wrote becuase i don't use the shift key---on a message board that has nothing in the rule book about adhering to perfect english: that is on an internet based world where "LOL" is allowed, and in a post that has nothing to do with adhering to gramatical rules, then just tell me and i'll simplify it down to just the numbers so you won't have to trouble your grammatical log mind.
and if thats not your problem and you just have some bone to pick with me or your just a bizaar asshole then lets take it outside!
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2800 ships is alot. If the Dominion has lets say 20,000 ships and Starfleet has 5,000-8,000 ships. Also the Klingons might have a smaller fleet of about 3,000-5,000 ships. That 2,800 ships can tip the scale for anything even if Starfleet has over 20,000 ships herself.
Starfleet does have the industrial strength and resources to be 1000 times lager than what they are now. The only reason why is that it would be considered militeristic and the other powers will do the same thus creating a arms race. Though this aalready happening its going very slowly according to the expansion of the Federation.
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ok ok back to the topic i still kinda prefer the dominion to have less than 10,000 ships or else haveing 2,800 ships would not ensure them of overrunning the federation
i mean the dominion could just build the 2,800 ships if their total fleet was several times that size.
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Well, the Dominions are suppose to be the predominant power of the Gamma quadrant. They aren't just made up of the Founders, but several other races, too. Kinda like a Federation if Starfleet went around saying "join us or dieeeeeeeeee". And they have been around for over a thousand years.
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They've told the races that they've forced to join them that they have been around for thousands of years. There's no evidence that that just isn't propaganda to make the Dominion look even more terrifying to their enemies.
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Actually, I don't think the Dominion tells its subject races much of anything.
Beyond that, the Vorta, at least, believe the Dominion to be several millennia old. It's possible that this number is false, but the Vorta, at least, seem to genuinely believe it.
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