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A possible explanation for all the carpet in ST:V - the captain of the Yorktown was really a transplant from one of Kirk's unseen adventures to the 1970's (he eventually went to the academy) - they hadn't even had a chance to remove the been bags from the rec-dec! ;o) HANG-ON! I have further evidence for this 1970's trip... anyone notice the large medallion and uniform with 'standard lapelles' on McCoy's uniform in TMP!?!
I hope they edited them out for the special edition. ;o)
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I thought Scotty's 'working' scenes in STV were in the transporter room. Thats where he was standing, at the beaming panel, and thats where the light came from. When Klaa's ship blasted them, you can see it blowed up real good behind him and woudlnt work no more. Sparks went all over the pads.
I especially like how they still had Next Generation door signs on all the doors in the corridors. Okuda was too busy to notice that when he was having the 'Deck 52' door sign made? Or maybe the Enterprise-A's Next Generation style corridors were all located on Deck 24-52 (which are all located at the highest point on the ship at the top of the turbo shaft based on the signs numbers getting higher as they went up) That's a pretty tall ship..
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I thought the corridors down in the engineering hull were pretty damn silly. What's the point of all those pipes running across the corridor just above deck level and the low-hanging ceiling conduits? Think about it: they sound red alert and you have to rush to your battle station. Do you really want to have to worry about tripping or braining yourself as you run? You'd think after three centuries in space we'd have learned better!
Oh...about those turbolifts: seems pretty strange to have triangular shafts with cylindrical lifts. Lot of wasted space there.
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Actually, i think that corridor was supposed to represent one of the large jefferies tubes, so that there was no chance scotty and the escapees would run into any crewmen whom sybok had 'relieved of their pain'. It would fit since the set was a redress of the jefferies tube built for 'The Hunted' when Roga Danar was sabotaging the ship, and was clearly identified as a 'jefferies tube' in that episode.
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Possibly, but then I have to ask why there is so much wasted space? Seems to me you'd want to make the most efficient use of space as possible, given the limited resources aboard any vessel.
Besides, I spent 6 years doing flight simulator maintenance in the Air Force. Engineers NEVER make things easy for the poor suckers who have to fix the equipment.
As to it being a Jefferies tube, I think the dialogue sounds more like they're talking about a corridor network, what with all the directions Scotty gives Kirk to get to the turboshaft. A series of maintenance conduits would be more limited as to where you would be able to go.
For that matter, Kirk's the captain of the bloody ship! How in the hell can he get lost on his own command ?
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To do a minor hijack to my earlier point, not all of Scotty's "working scenes" were in the transporter room. There was one somewhere in the engineering section. Here's a picture from that sequence: picture
This is in the early part of the film, Kirk is talking to Scotty over the intercom about the Klingons going to Nimbus III. Scotty says something to the effect of "We'll beat those Klingons there even if I have to get out and push."
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One could use the brightly colored GNDN pipes in that corridor/tube as evidence that the E-A was a refitted TOS-era ship. The refit might not have resulted in a completely optimal ship: some of those awkward pipes could simply not have been relocated when a Jeffries tube was opened past them. Or then they had to be relocated from somewhere else, and the only place to shove them to was the "tripwire level" of the Jeffries tubes.
One could also say that Scotty had to spend a greater deal of time off the main engineering room than usual, given that the ship was falling apart from every seam. His little people might have been tending to the warp core while he himself ran from location to location patching together the subsystems with duct tape and self-sealing stembolts.
Personally, I found those supposed Jeffries tubes a very enjoyable and believable part of the E-A interiors, second only to the big shuttlebay set in attractiveness. The TNG-lifted corridors were just plain silly, the lounge nondescript, the holding cell with neon-tube bars not even funny.
The triangular-cross-section vertical turboshaft could have been intended for three simultaneously running lifts, I guess...
quote: Personally, I found those supposed Jeffries tubes a very enjoyable and believable part of the E-A interiors, second only to the big shuttlebay set in attractiveness.
I wasn't crazy about that set, either. Seemed pretty damned cramped to me, especially compared to what we saw from TOS and TMP. And why store your shuttles in the main landing bay? Isn't that like parking a jetliner on the runway?
quote: The triangular-cross-section vertical turboshaft could have been intended for three simultaneously running lifts, I guess...
Sorry, not big enough for multiple turbolift cars, unless she's got single-passenger lifts we haven't seen before (outside of the ones in main engineering, that is).
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And the bridge being on Deck 52?
The real reason for some of he set problems is that the studio wanted the E-A to look like it was part of the evolution towards the E-D.. so they had a lot of beige carpeting and plush interiors, but this really got confusing when Nick Meyer, who is a real naval adventure buff, decided to go with a very attractive 'nuts and bolts' look for he E-A in ST-VI.. same bridge set, except with plate metal floors and the beige trinm and leather pads replaced by grey and Federation blue metal. I think Nick's idea for the look (and the prod. designers like Zimmerman who enacted it) was much better though, and is pretty much the standard when they have gone back to design ships from the E-A, E-B, E-C era
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quote:Originally posted by CaptainMike: The real reason for some of he set problems is that the studio wanted the E-A to look like it was part of the evolution towards the E-D.. so they had a lot of beige carpeting and plush interiors, but this really got confusing when Nick Meyer, who is a real naval adventure buff, decided to go with a very attractive 'nuts and bolts' look for he E-A in ST-VI.. same bridge set, except with plate metal floors and the beige trinm and leather pads replaced by grey and Federation blue metal. I think Nick's idea for the look (and the prod. designers like Zimmerman who enacted it) was much better though, and is pretty much the standard when they have gone back to design ships from the E-A, E-B, E-C era
I'm rather fond of the theory that there was a hot period in the Federation-Klingon cold war between those movies. It would explain...
(1) The Enterprise-A getting a gunmetal-gray "military" refit from its earlier beige "peaceful exploration" look.
(2) The crew feeling extremely uncomfortable with Klingons aboard the ship in Undiscovered Country after sharing a lighthearted celebration with them in Final Frontier.
(3) The Empire launching the I.K.S. T'Ong, described in "The Emissary" as during a period of war.
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Its pretty obvious the whole ship desperately needed a refit (retrofit?) after Star Trek V. I wouldnt be surprised if Scotty had the whole f*cking heap taken apart and put back together again.. with higher beams and wider doorways too....
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If that's the case, I can't say much for quality control in Starfleet's shipyards. Who would have passed that flying junkheap in routine inspections? If it takes an engineering genius like Scotty to get a brand-new (or newly refit, take your pick) starship into working order, would you sign up to serve aboard one of htese accidents waiting to happen?
Then again, maybe it's standard policy to make their new starships totally useless at first. Remember the E-B?
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I think that comparing the E-A to the E-B is a little harsh. The E-B was on a media trip and had a pussy (pardon) for a Captain. How the hell he got beyond Ensign is beyond me. Plus they had to get Kirk trapped in the Nexus, so the ship had to have minimal equipment. "Won't be installed until Tuesday" - oh boy! The ship should never have left spacedock without its major systems, but hey!, that's Paramount script writers for you. Starfleet had obviously got very soft very quickly with regards to its shipbuilding policy and standards.
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quote:Originally posted by Ryan McReynolds: I'm rather fond of the theory that there was a hot period in the Federation-Klingon cold war between those movies. It would explain...
(1) The Enterprise-A getting a gunmetal-gray "military" refit from its earlier beige "peaceful exploration" look.
(2) The crew feeling extremely uncomfortable with Klingons aboard the ship in Undiscovered Country after sharing a lighthearted celebration with them in Final Frontier.
(3) The Empire launching the I.K.S. T'Ong, described in "The Emissary" as during a period of war.
Oh, and...
(4) The Enterprise-A being decommissioned after less than a decade of service. A war could do that to a ship.
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