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I think this deserves a thread of its own, to spice up a summer spent discussing deathmatches between Winnie the Pooh and Paddington or Siegfried's midget fetish... Thanks for all the sources! Something new Something old Something blue
So it seems the upper nacelles did move a bit from shot to shot (original placement in this new photo, Jein doing a Uri Geller on the port nacelle in the middle photo, and the twisted final version in the screencap). And the lower pylon is quite a bit different from what the Fact Files would have us believe.
Any photo-analysis wizards out there who could use these pics to determine the actual distance between the saucer and the secondary hull? Is there a neck there or not?
Do I see a hint of a ventral phaser strip on the secondary hull, just in front of the hand?
Hmm... Seems we can do a rather definite deck count of the saucer section now.
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It looks like what you're seeing as the secondary hull's ventral phaser strip could be shadows from his hand and the hull. It looks a little wide to be a phaser strip, but someone with a keener eye would probably be able to discern more.
Looking at the rows of windows running along the side of the secondary hulls, you can clearly see that the bottom two rows go right up to the damage at the deflector dish area. From this angle, in my opinion, it doesn't look like much of a neck. I'd say maybe a deck or two at most. There may be none at all, but the contour of the secondary hull would put the windows on the upper part of that hull at odd angles with the windows on the lower primary hull (assuming there are any).
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The lower pylon seems to be different from what we thought. It looks more massive, I'd even say it looks like a submarine tower (Challenger). Sternbach used a Typhon and a Los Angeles-class submarine to build the Mars interceptor. If they used the tower of the Typhon to built the Challenger-pylon, maybe the used the other tower for this ship. I should correct my schematic then.
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Which raises the question, "Did this ship possess an aft shuttlebay *before* being battle-damaged or not?"... It would be a bit awkward to squeeze a bay in there, considering that major engineering systems must also be in that general area where the pylons meet. Perhaps the impulse engines were there instead?
I don't think the lower pylon is a submarine kit part - and it's very unlikely it would come from the heap of Sternbach/Okuda leftovers. This labor-intensive model was probably finished before S/O began modifying the Miarecki ships or building their own. Certainly the simple squarish Los Angeles class sail wouldn't fit as such.
In fact, it seems that all the pylons are closer to the original Fact Files image than to Bernd's otherwise corrected picture. The leading edges of the upper pylons seem straight when viewed from the side, instead of curving forward close to the hull. The true curvature is only in the form of a "gullwing" kink that doesn't show up in side profile. And the trailing edges of all pylons could well have those sharp angles to them.
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I agree with Amasov - that the lower pylon is quite 'big' compared to the upper two. It's thick and chunky - yeah looks like ??"Challenger Class"?? 'pylony' things.
I don't think I've seen a picture of the PHYSICAL model with those up and down 'thick pylons'.
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I agree with Timo that there shouldn't be a shuttlebay at the end of the ship. The upper pylons attach more toward the end of the ship than what was previously believed. And the lower, thicker pylon attaches to the entire length of the "shuttlebay's" bottom. With three separate conduits running through that section of hull, it would be quite foolish to have a shuttlebay there.
What I'd really like to know is why this ship wasn't seen any better than it was. It was certainly worthy of being seen up close, even if the Miarecki models weren't.
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My guess is that when they build the models, they really have very little idea how they will end up being shot. In other words, they know the model will be seen close enough to need the full detail treatment, but I dount they knew that it would be barely visible in the corner of the screen. For all they knew while building it, the camera was going to do a close fly by of the hull...
Just a thought, but I'm guessing the art department doesn't get the director's specific thoughts as early as the time that the props are being built. Art guys are alwasy supposed to be mind readers...
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Looking at this screen cap, I'm thinking that the image of the ship might have been optical stretched. Not only does the hull look circular, but the nacelles look quite a bit thinner than they do on the model.
The the DVD show any other angles, even slightly different, of Princeton?
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^ Nope. The frame I capped it from was actually just a scan of a still photo, which could explain the stretching. Either that, or my capture software is acting up on me.
None of the other Wolf 359 ships were showcased. Maybe with S4?
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Actually, I think he meant that it was stretched when it appeared in the episode. The picture of the guy w/ the model doesn't look stretched. The model looks the way it does in the Jein pic. And the guy doesn't look stretched.
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