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David Sands
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Hobbes, are you sure about CWOs' authority? I thought the distinction between the officer types was that the president gave you a warrant to be an officer, whereas Congress gives you a commission. The CWOs were uncommissioned officers (as opposed to Non-Commissioned Officers). Am I wrong?

One other thing: do all CWOs have so much experience before their promotion? I thought that a large number of helicopter pilots in the Army were CWOs. Would they have waited so long to fly?

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Warrant Officers are Commissioned officers. Trust me they have ALOT of authoritiy. My old division officer was a crazy CWO4 and he once told the XO who was a Captain where to stick it. They are the experts in their fields and are very respected and looked up to. To become a warrant you have to put in a package when you are either a CPO or a PO1. Then you get selected and then you are commisioned.

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Hobbes
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The Navy doesn't use the non-com officer title.

While the other branches do for E-4 and above, the Navy uses the petty officer title.

According to the DOD rank insignia site: http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/insignias/officers.html

"Warrant officers hold warrants from their service secretary and are specialists and experts in certain military technologies or capabilities. The lowest ranking warrant officers serve under a warrant, but they receive commissions from the president upon promotion to chief warrant officer 2. These commissioned warrant officers are direct representatives of the president of the United States. They derive their authority from the same source as commissioned officers but remain specialists, in contrast to commissioned officers, who are generalists. There are no warrant officers in the Air Force."

It should be noted, the rank of WO1 has been discontinued and the CWO ranks begin at CWO2.

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David Sands
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Thanks for the answer, Hobbes.

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quote:
Originally posted by Marauth:
P.S. is it possible for a CWO to advance to an ensign? I ask because at least in the 23rd C. it was - Yoeman Rand became a Lieutenant (IIRC) by the time of STVI.

To bring a bit info from other countries than the US in here: In Germany it is possible if you are "CPO" to go to the equivalent of "Cadet 3rd yr" (of three) and then to "Ensign"

I wonder if Starfleet does it similar, because Rand said it took three years to become Ensign, and she was a CPO in TMP (and still or Cadet in STIV)

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What of the rank of Fleet Captain?? Christopher Pike held the rank of Fleet Captain before he was severly injured that restricted him to a specially designed wheelchair.
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Dat
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Do we really need to go there?

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Wes
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quote:
Originally posted by Dat:
Do we really need to go there?

One beep for yes, two beeps for no.
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beep... beep...

Ah-ha! A double yes!

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Hobbes
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I think FLTCAPT would be more of a positional title like Commodore is in the Navy. Meaning, he's not quite an Admiral, but has greater responsibilites than a regular Captain. Or, while a Captain would command a single ship, a FLTCAPT would command a large group of ships.

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Matrix
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Hobbes left the Navy? When was this?

The officer ranks look more like ENT era than TNG era.

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machf
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quote:
Originally posted by japol:
beep... beep...

Ah-ha! A double yes!

Anybody with a certain degree of intelligence would know that in order to prevent such things, you choose prime numbers, for example, 2 for 'yes' and 3 for 'no'... but when have Starfleet officers shown such intelligence? [Wink]
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TheWoozle
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Titles like Fleet Captain and Commodore are positions given a person that ranks less then an admiral, that commands a fleet, like when a commander is the captain of a ship, but not of captain rank. In other words, Pike had a honorary position with no actual armada to command.
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Wraith
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Except that Commodore is a rank rather than a position in some navies (Although Fleet Captain isn't, AFAIK). I think i've sometimes seen Fleet Captain used to refer to the commander of a flagship, but I'm fairly certain this use is incorrect.

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Usually the captain that commands the flagship so the Admiral doesn't have to worry about it is the "Flag Captain."

I imagine that the brevet rank of "Fleet Captain" would be given to the commanding Captain of a group of ships in a Navy that has the rank of "Commodore" instead of "Rear Admiral, Lower Half" so there isn't any confusion.

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