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Star Trek has never had a well defined system for it's enlisted service members. Chief O'Brien proves they still have an enlisted service in Starfleet. The pin he wore on his collar on DS9 had three chevrons and two dots which kind of looks like something for a Master Chief Petty Officer in the Navy.
So anyway, here's my Starfleet enlisted system based off Navy titles and rating badges.
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And just for the hell of while I'm making up rank pins...
I never really liked the circular pips.
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To stay consistent with O'Brien's insignia, I'd delete the "rocker" from the CPO ranks. That is, CPO would already have one star to distinguish from PO 1st Class, while Senior CPO would have two (like O'Brien, "Senior Chief Specialist", had) and Master CPO would have three.
In that variant, "MCPO" and "MCPO, Starfleet" could be the same thing, or then MCPO, Starfleet could have a wholly separate special identifier in addition to the full MCPO regalia (say, a rocker )
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Also in TNG I'm sure Vice-Admirals always had 3 circles within their rectangular pips which would suggest that there's still a Commodore rank with a single gold cirlce within the gold rectangle.
P.S. is it possible for a CWO to advance to an ensign? I ask because at least in the 23rd C. it was - Yoeman Rand became a Lieutenant (IIRC) by the time of STVI.
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My only complaint about your great graphics is a gripe about this entire gendre, a problem with ST vs. the Real World. From what little I'm reading, there's an increasing use of warrant officers in the military to denote non-leadership officers who have more technical skill than the mere enlisted specialist ranks. Lots of pilots in the Air Force, for instance, want warrant officer ranks so they don't have to ticket punch with leadership positions to keep progressing in rank. Another example is the just-announced policy in the Navy of having non-ship driver paths to O-6 (Captain). I find it difficult to believe that a world as technologically dominated as Star Trek would not be using warrant officer ranks more, and they would not have been using them in the TOS era. And a lot of characters I think could have been more plausibly classified as warrant officer types than normal officers if you take the logic to its furthest conclusion: Tasha Yar, Troi, all the physicians, and O'Brien (I know it's cooler to call him "Chief," but he's so much more than a high ranking enlisted man to me...).
I think you're hemmed in by canon material from making the full range of W-1 through W-5 available, which is really what there needs to be to distinguish the less from the more specialized and experienced technicians. One possibility is that there actually are warrant officer ranks, but they're distinguished by position title, not rank. For instance, when Q allowed Picard the opportunity to live the safer life and Picard went with the anthropological path, he was a LCDR. Yet, I think someone like Geordi would have clearly outranked him as the head of engineering. Another was the crewmember Picard fell in love with, who was at least a LCDR, if not full CDR.
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Picard was actually a LTJG. Nice job Hobbes though to get advanced to Chief in Starfleet would you have to go through the initiation?
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My mistake on Picard. Result of watching election returns very late at night.
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Mabye the "Warrant Officer" branch of rankings is more for starfleet with families or who dont want to be re-assigned every couple of years to potentially dangerous locations (or dont want to be responsible for leading others) but also dont want to remain an ensign forever and ever.
I doubt O'Brien was always on the "CPO track" and probably branched off after getting married/ becoming a dad. When higher ranking officers make a simmular decision they probably go into teaching or field training (like the guy that set up those starfleet entrance exams for Wesley those other kids).
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I wasn't trying to make something exactly like Star Trek. Just something that's a mix of modern Navy and Starfleet-based ranks to create my take on it.
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quote:Originally posted by Marauth: P.S. is it possible for a CWO to advance to an ensign? I ask because at least in the 23rd C. it was - Yoeman Rand became a Lieutenant (IIRC) by the time of STVI.
Well, presumeably it would be possible for an enlisted man to be offered a commission. It is in most armed forces today, although I think they're usually offered before they get to CWO or equivilent.
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And a lot of characters I think could have been more plausibly classified as warrant officer types than normal officers if you take the logic to its furthest conclusion: Tasha Yar, Troi, all the physicians
While the warrant officer route sounds eminently reasonable for most of the security positions, I can't see the Chief of Security (or, indeed, any shipboard division) being anything less than a full commissioned officer (at least on the larger starships). And since you need a doctorate to practice medicine or psychology, I can't see how it would work for Troi or the medical staff either; if I'd busted my butt to get through medical school (or the like), I certainly wouldn't want to be put in the position of taking orders from some freshly minted ensign with the Starfleet equivalent of a B.S.
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