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I've always considered the USS Ahwahnee to be that one ship that survived Wolf 359 because the same name was used in a later episode, with a different registry that I was content to believe was a typo.
In First Contact artist John Eaves starting coming up with a USS Endeavour, a new ship whose role was later given to the Defiant so Worf could easily get in the movie. The Endeavor was mentioned during the battle however, it wasn't clear whether it is the Nebula-class ship or the newer one Eaves was coming up with until now. Apparently it was the same, and it was the Endeavour that was the sole surviving ship. At least that's what the new encyclopedia claims based on the fact that Voyager's computer had a quote from that ships captain about the Borg he obvisously came out of Wolf 359 alive.
Of course it's easily possible for him to of escaped in an escape pod as well. I just thought I'd share that bit of information.
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They aren't that great. In the STNG Sketchbook there is one sketch (apparently the only one) of the Endeavor. It is basically a Sovereign with the pylons underneath but still swept back. like a nebulized Sovereign.
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Captain Asemov, captain of the USS Endeavour, was menioned in Voyager's "Scorpion". Janeway was reading the logs of multiple captains who had run ins with the Borg. The two logs show read were Picard's and Asemov's. Other then reading the log, she never said WHEN or WHERE the Endeavour encountered the Borg. It is possible the Endeavour just had a run in with a scout ship or so. It is possible that she was at Wolf 359, but I doubt it.
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It's impossible for that log to have come from events that occured in First Contact. The Endeavor log must have been made before Voy was lost in the Delta Quad. It might not even be the same Endeavor. I always assumed that the Endeavor in FC was the Admiral's ship.
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The only piece of information is that Capt. Asimov of the Endeavour encountered the Borg some time prior to 2371 when Voyager disappeared. This USS Endeavour is almost certainly the Nebula class ship, and if it was at Wolf 359, it survived the attack, since the ship reappeared in "Redemption". If it were another class and destroyed at Wolf 359, the Nebula class would rather have a 72xxx number like the Sutherland which would be of the same batch. I believe the ship in FC is still the same, maybe the Nebula that fires its weapons next to the E-E just after Picard ordered to fire at the cube.
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And yet some people believe that the Nebula seen in "First Contact" was the Nebula Class USS Lexington, since the ship name Lexington was heard in a comm chat.
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A friend of mine: "Nebula class?? There was no Nebula class in First Contact!" Me: "Sjeez.., Let's look at my widescreen version! *evil grin*" A few minutes later: Me (pointing at the screen): "What do you call that?" My friend: "Uhm..., Nebula class... *grumble* What is the name of that ship?" Me: "I believe it is the Lexington, you can hear the name in the battle communications. I think it was used in a DS9 episode."
*checks the Star Trek Archive*
Nebula Class: USS Lexington NCC-61832 ST Encyclopedia 2, ST:FC (visually identified this class) DS9 "Explorers"
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Let's sum up here.
Captain Amisov of the Nebula-class USS Endeavour, NCC-71805 - name established in "Scorpion," ship seen (?) in "Redemption II," mentioned in "The Game," maybe mentioned in comm traffic in ST:FC (acc. to Encyclopaedia 2?) - encountered the Borg sometime prior to 2371, because the logs of the encounter are in Voyager's records.
Also mentioned in ST:FC comm traffic is the USS Lexington, NCC-61832, also visually identified in "Explorers" to be Nebula-class.
One Nebula is seen in the battle in ST:FC. There is no way of knowing which one it is.
Originally the ship commanded by that admiral in ST:FC was going to be a new class, with this example called the Endeavour. This ship, the linchpin of the defense fleet, would be seen to be destroyed as the Enterprise came on the scene, leaving the way open for Picard to lead them to victory. This concept was then scrapped in favour of having the Defiant present so as to bring Worf into the film. The concept of the destruction, now of the Defiant, survived for several more drafts before politics with the DS9 staff ensured its survival.
No evidence remains that the Nebula-class Endeavour was the command ship for the fleet. Whether or not this ship survived the battle is unknown.
Furthermore, the Endeavour has not previously been included in lists of ships present at Wolf 359 (the only known example of an encounter between the Borg and Starfleet vessels other than the Enterprise), although at least one Nebula was present (and it's not the Melbourne!). Conventional wisdom has it that the one surviving ship implied by the '39 ships destroyed out of 40' is the Cheyenne-class USS Ahwahnee.
Therefore either the assumption about the Ahwahnee is flawed, and it was the Endeavour that survived - or both did.
The only other option - and to my mind the most likely one - is that the Endeavour encountered the Borg at some other place and time, and lived to tell the tale. There are two problems with this:
1. They've always been fairly certain about the number of Borg incursions there have been. On the other hand, it's nice to think that the Enterprise doesn't have to be the only ship that's ever met them!
2. Nebulas don't seem to be able to survive that much, especially not the Borg!
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Wouldn't all the starships that participated at Wolf359 been destroyed? I can't imagine many Starfleet captains retreating and letting the Borg assimilate Earth.
I still conjecture that the Endeavor was the Admiral's illfated ship in FC. The Nebula could have been the Lexington.
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The status of ships from Wolf 359 is still open to debate. . . Hanses he had a fleet of 40 starships. Satie said 39 were destroyed. No lifesigns were detected in the battle zone afterwards. 11,000 people died.
The Ahwahnee was at Wolf 359. You can see it, in fact. It was also in the blockade fleet in "Redemption II" therefore it survived (it did look intact). So either the crew had to abandon ship, maybe due to loss of life support, or they died onboard for the same reason. This might lead people to consider the ship to have survived.
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Could the Endeavour (class unspecified) have been destroyed at Wolf 359, with Amisov escaping in a life pod (as per Hobbes) and a new (not necessarily a Nebula) Endeavour built,and mentioned in Redemption.
After all, we never saw the Endeavour explicitly in FC. And the regisries have never been the best, really.
Then the Nebula seen in FC could be the Lexington.
And the only survivor of Wolf 359 could be the Anwahnee, and be seen in 'Redemption II'.
And all the Forumites could live happily ever after.
I must admit to not knowing about the Nebula in FC until now, but I'm seriously against the notion that the original Endeavour had a seperate encounter with the Borg, other than being whipped at 359.
Come to think of it, any captain assigned to the Endeavour hasn't fared too well against the Borg. ;-
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