I reproduced the period until three Romulan warbirds appears with the photon torpedoes from the Sutherland and withdraw, after one ship broke away, the network collapsed completely and all federation ships retreated to gamma eridon.
Moreover, since the ship "USS Ahwahnee" lost in the battle of wolf 359 in the fleet, I put constellation class USS Valkyrie without the ship's name into the tactical display replacing.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
That's pretty sweet!
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Yes indeed. Although:
- What's the problem with the Ahwahnee being the sole survivor of Wolf 359 and showing up here? (We know there was a survivor and the Encyclopedia's pegging of the Endeavour as this ship is merely an oversight.)
- It's Tian Nan Men and Merrimac. These are the spellings that were consistently used in all displays seen in the show.
-MMoM Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Even Okuda admitted that the Ahwahnee's number used on the display was an error and was supposed to be the original number on the model... so it's his belief that the Ahwahnee here is the same Ahwahnee from BOBW.
Posted by Masaki (Member # 1030) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: Yes indeed. Although:
- What's the problem with the Ahwahnee being the sole survivor of Wolf 359 and showing up here? (We know there was a survivor and the Encyclopedia's pegging of the Endeavour as this ship is merely an oversight.)
Though the Ahwahnee has survived at the wolf 359, none of other ships is the Constellation class ship among the tachyon network fleet.
I decided that it was better to exchange Cheyenne class the Ahwahnee which has four nacelle like the Constellation class starship.
quote: - It's Tian Nan Men and Merrimac. These are the spellings that were consistently used in all displays seen in the show.
Spelling of "Tian Nan Men" and "Merrimac" was changed into the notation of the encyclopedia. Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
The Constellation was the U.S.S. Hathaway NCC-2593 (the registry is visible in the episode) and the names being retconned in the Encyclopedia really should not take precedence over the canonical ones.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Even Okuda admitted that the Ahwahnee's number used on the display was an error and was supposed to be the original number on the model..."
Although, really, the latter was never visible on screen, while the former was, so, if one wanted to be strictly canonical...
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Why did the Goddard leave?
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
You don't have to switch out the Ahwahnee for the Valkyrie/Hathaway. True, there is no Constellation Class in the Detection Grid schematic we saw on the show, but then again, there were only 17 ships in the grid animation but at least two dialogue references in the episode tell us there were actually 23 starships that were part of the blockade. Maybe some were advanced scouts or some were a dragnet held back away from the other 17?
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by TSN:
"Even Okuda admitted that the Ahwahnee's number used on the display was an error and was supposed to be the original number on the model..."
Although, really, the latter was never visible on screen, while the former was, so, if one wanted to be strictly canonical...
For some strange reason I hadn't really thought of it that way TSN, but you're right. Of course, by that reasoning, the Prometheus (as I have always said) should indeed be NX-59650 and not NX-74913...
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
You know, I can't help but think that the Goddard should have more ties to tehe network than it does...
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Wasn't it supposed to be the Excalibur, Riker's ship, that was falling back for repairs?
Very sweet indeed, though! Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Actually I recall counting from the Romulan display something like 23 (or more than 17, anyway) Starfleet emblems on their tactical display. Regardless the numbers did keep changing and did seem rather inconsistant at times.
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
I think in the script Picard tells Riker the "...Excalibur will fall back with engine problems."
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Of course, by that reasoning, the Prometheus (as I have always said) should indeed be NX-59650 and not NX-74913..."
Actually, I believe both numbers showed up on screen.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
But only one was actually visible. I mean, technically the Ahwahnee's NCC-73620 showed up in BoBW when the studio model was seen on the viewscreen. But we couldn't SEE it.
Posted by Masaki (Member # 1030) on :
I made some compromise, while making this animation.
Arrangement of the ships after the fleet activates the tachyon grid differs from arrangement of the ships when one ship separates and the fleet re-concentrates.
Arrangement of the ships was not changed in order that I might simplify animation.
It should have been the Excalibur in my mistake that the Goddard fallen back.
Although the Akagi and the Hornet must have moved by the dialog of Capt.Picard, they are not moving on the display. The Thomas Paine and the Goddard moved on the display.
Moreover, there is also no explanation of what and the position of the Charleston and the Sutherland was changed.
Is there something special that makes the Ajax take 13, the Hood 12 and the Tian An Men 11 'tachyon' signals when the Enterprise takes 9? The Hermes and the Aries take 2 each.
Posted by Masaki (Member # 1030) on :
Update The Goddard was changed into the Excalibur.
Actually I guess it is easy to nit-pick the accuracy but I don't think the display was accurately displayed in the episode in accordance to the script, in the first place, so this actually makes more sense than the one on the show.
For one, the original had the Charleston and the Sutherland swapped, at one point, then suddenly they were rearranged so that they were the way you have them displayed now - which in reality makes the best sense anyway.
The theory with the Excaliburs' engine problems, which actually seemed better off the way you had it in the first place was that it was to 'fall back' and the Hornet and the Akagi were to cover for it. Then the Enterprise and the Tian Nan Men were supposed to close in the gap on the Romulans if they took the bait.
On the tactical display it looks like an ackward move but you have to consider that there is a 'z' axis involved that cannot be represented on a 2D display. So if you go back to your original mock-up of the display with the Excalibur at the 1:00 position and the Goddard still in the middle and the ThomasPaine in between the two. Have the Excalibur fall back and move the Hornet and Akagi toward that position creating the 'hole' somewhere between the Enterprise and the Tian Nan Men - instead of the dead center of the grid where the Excalibur/Goddard is/was placed.
Anyway, how the Charleston and the Sutherland changed positions is still beyond me, from the screencap I have available to how this entire thing panned out.
Regardless, I think its overall an amazing recreation considering the inconsistancies of the original. Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Indeed. Wolf 359 is next, yes?
Mark
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
"'I masqueraded as the leader of a tiny South American country for several weeks once after I read his name off the back of a box of cereal. It's easier than you'd think, really.'"
This is clever, if a little condescending. But I'm curious as to where and when I said it.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
It certainly sounds like something you would have said.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Second page of this thread. In response to the raising of the possibility that Mojo was an impostor when he first arrived on the scene.
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
I sure did care about the authenticity of Star Trek information.
What a cunt.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I was precocious in the early part of the century.
I would prefer people not read those three chapters, incidently. Yuck, awful, no good. What the internet needs is more Douglas Adams pastiche, I thought. And thanks to GeoCities it is preserved forever.
Hey, Gene Ray.
Posted by newark (Member # 888) on :
IIRC, the USS Sutherland NCC-72015 was reporting a failure of its weapon systems and how to resolve this conflict became a point of contention between Data and the executive officer.It is possible the starship was moved to the rear and the USS Charleston NCC-42285 which reported no weapons problems and, therefore was at a advantage if actual battle occured, was moved to the front echelons.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
So, when's chapter four?
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Heh heh heh... Lee...you crazy bastard:
quote:Originally posted by Vogon Poet: Listen, for six months I had you all convinced I was Australian just by putting the occasional "Fair dinkum" or "G'day" in what I was typing. Just because this guy SAYS he's this Mojo character, doesn't mean he is. And NO-ONE 'famous' ever shows up here. We managed one chat with Robert Hewitt Wolfe, and that was 3 years ago. We're too eccentric, too out there, all the other BBs think we're weird. If you want to go hang out with minor Paramount functionaries who will only ever say "oh, we're planning big things, big, big things. Can't tell you about them, though - keep watching!" then go to the bloody TrekBBS or TrekWeb or WebTrek or TreWebek or wherever.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Oh, that's nothing. You should have known him when he was still The First One. B)
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