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MC Infinity
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..was just disproven a few minutes ago on "Who wants to be a millionaire" when a school teacher advised one of the contestants that the Ural mountains are mainly located in Turkey.
What other interesting notions do teachers in the US have? Perhaps that the capital of China is Chinkville and that people in Kenya live in primitive societies and dress like savages while dancing around a pot that has tourists boiling in it.
I beleive it was the movie "Canadian Bacon" that demonstrated the ignorance of the american people best: Today the whole nation, from the atlantic ocean, to that other one, is shaken..."

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Omega
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Well, what subject did that teacher teach? 'Cause if it was P.E., or English, or practically anything else, they might have some vague excuse for not knowing the location of the Urals.

But the education system still sucks. I'm going to tutor a girl I know in physics this summer. The reason: she doesn't think she can learn enough in physics next year in her school to get into the college she wants. And this is a PRIVATE school, that she goes to to avoid the public ones!

Thus homeschooling.

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Aethelwer
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I also agree that although the education system sucks a lot, knowledge of geographical trivia is not essential unless that is one's area of teaching.
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I have to agree with the comments made by Omega and Aethelwer. The US education system does suffer from a lack of quality. A while ago there was a ranking of each nation's student aptitude to math and science, and the United States faired pretty dismally. I can't find it at the moment, but I'll look for it when I get a chance.

I think there are many reasons for this. One of which that the US youth seems to be more excited by the Internet, cable television, and Play Station than by reading, writing, and math. Not that I can blame them, then I used to sit in class dreaming of the day that I would be of legal age to drop-out. However, my parents rode my ass all the way through junior high and senior high school. Which leads me to another I reason that I think exists: parent involvement. Most of my friends in school had both parents working, and their involvement in school work amounted to, "So, what did you do in school today?"

However, I think the main reason could be the teachers themselves. There are a lot of wonderful, dedicated, and highly-trained teachers out there. I know because I have had some of the greatest teachers in the world. But, there are also quite a few teachers who are teaching only because it was their back-up plan. I had a history teacher in 9th grade tell me that Hitler was a pretty good guy and that the US lost Vietnam because the VietComs (yes, that's what he said), sabotaged our equipment. Thankfully, he wasn't my regular history teacher, but I wonder what else he puts in his students' minds? On another angle, there are many people who have the aptitude, patience, and caring to be wonderful teachers. They won't pursue that profession because it is low-paying and, in some parts, not a real respected career.

Because some people who are capable of being great teachers but choose not to pursue it, I think standards have been lowered and many school districts have been hiring anyone competent enough to fill vacancies. Right now, Houston I.S.D. is launching an advertising campaign to fill its 1000 spots for the coming year. I wonder how many under-qualified teachers will be hired and how many qualified teachers will be hired but assigned to teach subjects outside their field?

The teacher on "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?" I think was simply asked a question that did not pertain to her field. Geography has not really been a big important subject in Texas schools, to be certain. It was only added to the Texas curriculum in 1996 (I believe), and then it was only added as a requirement to the advanced/honors transcript and not the general transcript. Of course, that could have changed by now.

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I wanted to be a teacher. Now I'm glad I'm not. They took all the fun & the joy out of it. Forms, licensing, accreditation, moronic policies, pathetic curriculums....never mind the horrid pay.

There's no INCENTIVE anymore. It used to be the smartest person in town was the teacher, or one of the women....now you need 70 degrees that don't mean dick, & at least 3 have to be some form of child psychology. Bah. I don't need that shit, & neither do they.

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Man, I wouldn't trust that stupid game show if I were you, I bet you half the stuffs in there are fake.

I mean, what kind of a moron talks about his freaking personal life or his/her past history for freaking 15 mins, and then answer: "oh, after all that junks that came out of my big mouth, I think I'll go with answer 'c'".

The show stinks with set-up just like Jerry Springer, or Murry, and etc...

And to tell you the truth, I don't know where this Ural Mountain is either! ^0^

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Sol System
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quote:
I mean, what kind of a moron talks about his freaking personal life or his/her past history for freaking 15 mins, and then answer: "oh, after all that junks that came out of my big mouth, I think I'll go with answer 'c'".

I don't know, but they don't seem to have quite grasped the fact that language was invented to transmit ideas.


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Please, God, let BlueElectron be joking...

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Some years back, I read a book called "The Virginian" by an author in the early 1900's. In the preface, the preface's author stated that the students of America didn't have a grasp of history or of geography.

Our issues with education date to the beginning of our country's founding and prior to that. A person would argue that a non-education influence-agriculture (1800's), peer groups, non-parent involvement, etc.-was the root of the malaise in the education system. The true is that as a country, we don't value education. We value the prosperity that one can obtain through education.


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The Urals run along the US easter seaboard... Don't they????

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One Word.

UNIONS.

Up here in Ontario that is. They are very ignorant about the fact that there are many unqualified teachers in our public education system, and any attempt to remove one of them results in EXTREME opposition.

Union Solidarity forever. The Fights between the Unions and the Government are causing all sorts of problems.

I've heard a remark that Ontario is the only place where Teachers are unionized.

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Lee
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No, we have teacher's unions in the UK.

http://www.teachersunion.org.uk/

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quote:
Originally posted by Ritten:
The Urals run along the US easter seaboard... Don't they????

Ewe-Krane


You're joking, right?

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Me- Hi Jen! What's up!
Jen- You again??!?! Listen kid, I'm not interested in you. Stop bothering me, I'm a lot older than you and I have a boyfriend. How did you find my ICQ number anyways?
Me- Oh, so just cuz you're a movie star now, and you're new album made millions, you think you're too good for me?
Jen- Yes!!! Get it thorough your head! I am a person, I am not Jennifer Lopez the hottest woman on earth that everyone wants to sleep with, I'm a person, leave me alone!!!
Me- Fine! Be that way!
Me- Jen.... Where'd you go.... I love you... please come back.... please....


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Ural Mountains

Ural Mountains (Russian Ural'skiye Gory), mountain chain in Russia, extending 2,400 km (1,500 mi) from its northern boundary at the Arctic Ocean to its southern limits at the steppes of Kazakhstan, traditionally separating the continents of Europe and Asia. The chain is divided roughly into four main divisions: the Polar, Northern, Middle, and Southern Urals. The Polar Urals (above latitude 64� North) are treeless arctic tundra. The Northern Urals (latitude 64� North to latitude 61� North) constitute a distinct craggy, treeless, narrow range with crests averaging 300 to 500 m (1,000 to 1,500 ft) in height. This range contains the highest Ural crest, Gora Narodnaya (1,894 m/ 6,214 ft). Other Northern peaks include Mount Sablya, Telpos-Iz, and Isherim. The only trees in the area are sparse growths of larch (a type of pine tree).

Numerous plateaus, characterized by broad, flat, marshy valleys, extend in a southwestern direction from the southern limits of the Northern Urals. The entire Middle Ural region (latitude 61� North to latitude 60� North) is covered with dense coniferous forests. A succession of northeastern mountain chains marks the northern boundary of the Middle Urals. The southern boundary is marked by numerous hills of 300 to 600 m (1,000 to 2,000 ft) separated by deep ravines. The Konzhakovskiy Kamen, 1,571 m (5,154 ft) high, is the highest peak of both the northern and southern portions of the Middle Urals. Dense forests, rich soils, and fertile valleys cover the entire area.

South of the Middle Urals (latitude 55� North to latitude 51� North) are three parallel mountain chains called the Southern Urals. The first of these, the Urals proper, is a low chain ranging in height from 670 to 850 m (about 2,200 to 2,800 ft). To the west, a higher range, containing many rivers, reaches a height of 1,594 m (5,230 ft) and is paralleled farther west by an equally high range. All three ranges are heavily wooded with deciduous plant life and contain rich pasturelands. The Urals continue from latitude 51� North toward the Volga River and, under the name of Obshchiy Syrt, comprise a system of plateaus reaching 460 m (1,500 ft) in height and 320 km (200 mi) in width. South of the Ural River, the Ural chain appears as a group of independent ranges.

Geologically, the Urals are the worn-down stumps of an ancient range that rose toward the end of the Paleozoic era, 250 million years ago (see Permian Period), while the American Appalachian Mountains were forming. The divisions of the range reflect distinct episodes in this ancient upheaval, which squeezed thick sedimentary rock layers into large northern-southern trending folds, then faulted and intruded them with a variety of igneous rocks.

Important industrial areas are located in the Middle and Southern Urals. Intensive industrialization in the former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) began during World War II (1939-1945), when many industries were established to develop armaments production centers far from the military zone. The region has been a major center of nuclear weapons production since 1948, when the Mayak complex began operations near the city of Kyshtym. Mayak produced the material for the first Soviet atomic bomb, detonated in August 1949. Mayak caused three major incidents of nuclear waste contamination in 1949, 1957, and 1967, which combined released more than ten times the radiation of the world's worst known reactor disaster near Chernobyl', Ukraine. In the 1950s nuclear wastes from Mayak were diverted into nearby Lake Karachai, and the lake soon became highly radioactive. In the late 1960s workers began filling in the lake with rock and soil and planned to seal it over with concrete by the mid-1990s, but a government commission concluded in 1991 that this might force radioactive isotopes into the groundwater. Containment of radioactive wastes and cleanup efforts continue in the Urals amid public controversy over how best to proceed.

The Ural region has extensive deposits of iron ore and coal in close proximity, as well as rich deposits of chromium, manganese, copper, zinc, bauxite, platinum, silver, and gold. Just to the east of the Urals is a major oil-producing area. Among the important industrial cities are Magnitogorsk, Yekaterinburg, Chelyabinsk, Perm', and Nizhniy Tagil.

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Me- Hi Jen! What's up!
Jen- You again??!?! Listen kid, I'm not interested in you. Stop bothering me, I'm a lot older than you and I have a boyfriend. How did you find my ICQ number anyways?
Me- Oh, so just cuz you're a movie star now, and you're new album made millions, you think you're too good for me?
Jen- Yes!!! Get it thorough your head! I am a person, I am not Jennifer Lopez the hottest woman on earth that everyone wants to sleep with, I'm a person, leave me alone!!!
Me- Fine! Be that way!
Me- Jen.... Where'd you go.... I love you... please come back.... please....


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Nim
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Um, we don't give out Jumbo Post Points here, so you might wanna relax.

You said it yourself, in response to Shik's sleezy orations; "I never read anything longer than a small paragraph. It's usually a waste of reading skills".

Wink-wink.

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