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The359
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Again, from "The Voyager Conspiracy", Seven was analyzing the attack on the Caretaker's Array in "Caretaker". The computer claims the tricobalt explosives used were capable of "200,000 terracochranes"! What happened to isotons?! Are they saying that tricobalts actually create warp fields to destroy their targets or what?

Oh, and also, it now appears tricobalts are NOT standard weapons, and most starships do not carry them.

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Aethelwer
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Actually, it was 20,000, IIRC. And we've been saying that tricobalts are specialty weapons all along.

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Omega
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You know, now that I think about it, they never did explain where that tractor beam came from, OR where that alien got his little tetrion generator...

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Well, I think we're supposed to believe it was someone looking to make a quick buck (or several million bucks) after all.

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TSN
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Tricobalts' being nonstandard I don't have a problem with. However, as soon as Seven said the yield was 20000 teracochranes (which, of course, is the same as 20 petacochranes), my first thought was Great, now they've forgotten that cochranes measure distortion of subspace! Then, surprisingly enough, it turned out that they did not forget. Despite how aghast I was at this astounding continuity, my next thought was Uhh... I thought subspace weapons were banned by the second Khitomer Accords...

Perhaps the continuity wasn't all that great after all...

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How about that treaty that limits governments like the Federation and Cardassians to one quadrant? No wonder earth always seems undefended...they're not allowed to have any ships there half the time!

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At least now they mention Kes after her departure. Now can anyone explain that tractor beam, the cloaked ship, and the Cardassians? Cloaking devices are not that common where the Kazon are. How come the Cardassian ship that was in the Delta Quad. vanish? And how come I think that the USS Equinox was the one who stole the extra tetryon generator since apparently that ship was there before Voyager?

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Wes
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The Equinox did not have a cloak, they would of used it while hidding from Voyager. I think Section 31 has something to do with all this.

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About the use of subspace weapons, if that's what the tricobalts are:

Perhaps those weapons were loaded on the Voyager specifically because she was supposed to be flying in the Badlands? The nature of space there might prevent the spreading of the space-ripping effect, while OTOH making conventional weapons less effective.

If this were true, one would think tricobalt weapons would have been in use during the DS9 war. Perhaps Worf's ship carried them when lost in the Badlands? We never really saw anybody with a Federation starship fight a space battle in that region, save for Sisko's and Eddington's little trick with runabout impulse exhaust...

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Sounds like the Federation is just as guilty as the Son'a and their Isolytic torpedoes...

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While I have no real idea yet what the episode is about, I wonder what is the use of giving the explosive force of a (subspace) weapon in cochranes. Cochranes are supposed to be the measure for subspace stress, where the cochrane value equals the v/c rate. This is independent of the ship's size, meaning that a Galaxy and a Danube travelling at Warp 2 both have a field distortion of 8 cochrane and v/c=8. So the subspace weapon creates a certain (maximum) field distortion, but this doesn't tell us anything about the power or energy of the weapon. We would have to do a three-dimensional integration over the volume of subspace to determine the actual energy/power output, unless the subspace rupture has a certain profile and the maximum distortion is given, thereby also telling us the overall power. If a weapon with another profile were used, a comparison of the figures would not be possible in this case. I don't expect anyone to understand what I mean, I don't do it myself.

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Elim Garak
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Actually, even the Kazon did have rudiementary cloaks that Voyager couldn't penetrate until "State of Flux".

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Well, I've just realized that there is one possible explanation for tricobalts' being subspace weapons, yet still being used. Perhaps the second Khitomer Accords only came about in the years between "Caretaker" and Insurrection...

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Damn! *I* should have thought of that! Of course! What do we know of the thing called "Khitomer Accords"? Well, duh, that Gowron denounced and then reinstated them in 2372-73, years after the Voyager sailed out! *Naturally* the treaty signed after "By Inferno's Light" would be called the "2nd Khitomer Accords"...

So are we supposed to think that subspace weapons were carried aboard Starfleet ships until 2373? Not impossible at all, although I can't think of references to them right now.

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My problem with this is how did TUVOK of all people, miss the tractor beam in the initial sensor sweep during the initial investigation of the blast.

In the ep, they left the whole thing unresolved. It's like once they realized Seven had lost her marbles temperarily, they were no longer concerned about that tractor beam..

I'm thinking the whole thing never exsisted in the first place. Can it be that nothing was pushed into sub-space to begin with. All a product of Seven's imagination??? Or did they leave it the way they did for some future episode. I mean they have written a few episodes about people who either live or travel through subspace.

My bet. They will never mention this ep again!

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