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No, the tractor beam was visible on the Voyager sesor logs before she got Neelix' ship's records. Besides, the stuff from Neelix' ship would have been regarding the months before "Caretaker". At the time of the battle w/ the Kazon and the destruction of the array, Neelix' ship was in the shuttlebay, so it wouldn't have even had its sensors running.
Perhaps the "tractor beam" was simply a sensor glitch that ended up visibly looking like a tractor beam, but really wasn't.
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Well, remember, the computer never said it was a tractor beam, Seven merely assumed
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Some lt. on the Enterprise-C in 'Yesterday's Enterprise' said something about a second Kithomer accord. The first is probably the one in ST6, the second could be the one including the ban on subspace weapons. If that's true, that accord is about 25 years old at the time of 'Caretaker'....
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Is it possible that the second Khitomer accords may have contained a clause permitting the use of subspace weapons under certain restricted circumstances? It is also possible that if the original agreement did not, such a clause might have been negotiated in the intervening 25 years.
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I believe the reference in "Yesterday's Ent" is "they were negotiating a peace treaty when we left."
They couldn't have been the Second Khitomer accords because the first ones hadn't been invented. Khitomer was first mentioned in 3rd season TNG in "Sins of the Father". That was 1989. Trek VI, in 1991 (during season 5 of TNG) used Khitomer as the location of the treaty conference as a reference to "Sins..." That was the first mention of Khitomer as anything other than Worf's home.
So there were at least two treaties prior to the 2340's, but not explicitly the second khitomer accords. I'm inclinded to believe that tri-cobalt devices were relatively new technology (a spin off of a static warp shell?) that were quickly outlawed during the talks to re-unite the Klingons and the Federation. (after Voyager left)
Janeway's just the type to carry them anyway, as long as they're not strictly illegal. She's done enough other questionable things...
-Devin Clancy
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Ah, but we're talking about fictional timelines here. We didn't learn about Picard's artificial heart until, uh, that one episode in which it first appeared. But that doesn't mean that he didn't have it in previous ones.
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Er, I think Devin is just saying that one can say for sure that there wasn't a reference to Second Khitomer Accords in "Yesterday's Enterprise", without needing to rewatch the episode. The real-world timeline takes care of that.
And if that much is true, then it becomes more likely that the 2nd Khitomer Accords could be the ones signed after "By Inferno's Light". It still remains a possibility that there could be a reference to them in some episode or movie that takes place before Voyager's departure. I don't remember such a reference now - anybody have any ideas?
If not, then one could say that tricobalts were introduced shortly before "Caretaker", found to be of dubious worth and unacceptable risk after that episode, and banned by Feds and Klingons alike in the treaty signed after "By Inferno's Light".
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But the treaty reinstated on DS9 was just the original one between the UFP and the Klingon Empire. Why should the Son'a be constrained by a treaty that only involved two powers?
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Well, why would the Son'a be constrained by any treaty? Of all the powers I can think of who might have signed something called the "Second Khitomer Accords", they wouldn't be one.
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Then why even bother to mention that such weapons are banned? I mean, when the Borg showed up, nobody said "Hey, isn't kidnapping and assimilation into a monsterous hivemind illegal under the Treaty of Antimony?"
A bit of hyperbole, yes. What I'm getting at is, in order for the Second Khitomer Accords to carry the sort of weight they seemed to, they should apply to more governments than just the UFP and the Klingons. That is, a treaty signed by fifty states carries more...popular opinion, you could say; then a treaty signed by two or three. Beyond that, if I recall correctly, Gowron merely resigned the original treaty, and while that might have included something about subspace weapons, why say the second accords when its just the same as the first?
Then again, I'm probably just making too much out of this.
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Well, my point was that the line in Insurrection was a really stupid thing for them to say, like your example about the Borg.
And I think I like the idea that the subspace weapon thing is a recent amendment to the SKA ("Second Khitomer Accords", of course). It makes the most sense, all things considered.
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