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I here that the Russians are saying that most of the crew could already be dead. Apparently, there were two explosions on board the Kursk. One onboard torpedo detonated causing a chain reaction that caused a few others to detonate. These explosions caused a huge hull breech on the forward starboard side where most of the crew would have been working. Some of the crew died from the explosion while the rest of the crew in the area didn't have enough time to evacuate the section and seal it off before it could flood the area.
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Well, they did have radio contact briefly after the accident, and as of the time rescue times arrived, there was "accoustic contact" (read: banging on the hull), so someone survived, at least for a while. Of course, if there're only a few people left alive, that should mean the air will last considerably longer...
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quote: My guess is the crew died immediately-all of them..
I think I remember hearing that someone was picking up sounds from the sub at first, then quite. I heard this morning that the front of the sub is mostly gone. I've heard two versions of how the can get oxygen, one said they have to have the reactors going, the other said they could do it with batteries, but the bridge was in the forward section, and is reportedly gone, so it is unlikely that anyone survived long.
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Most of the crew being killed is possible, all of them is highly unlikely. If Russian subs are designed similar to American subs, then the sleeping quarters would be more to the aft of the sub. All the entire crew wouldn't be awake at a single time (crews working on shifts). The paper today says from the latest photos that there is only a large hole in the front, not that the entire section is gone. The bridge is most likely underneath the tower, and is farther back from the hole, making it possible that the bridge crew survived at least the initial explosion.
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quote:The simply CAN NOT form a modern military safely with the resources available to them. This isn't the first time something like this has happened.
At least not with their economy in the tank, like it is right now. The Russians probably have some of the finest human resources in the world (thinks of Sakharov), though their potential is overshadowed by transitional problems and the economic instability that follows it.
The Russians have been infamous for cutting maintance on virtually everything to save money. Chernobyl beeing at the apex of all these disasters.
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Actually, Chernobyl (isn't the more accurate spelling now considered Chornobyl or somesuch?) had little to do with cutbacks. It had to do with a lack of safety precautions and operator incompetance. And the safety precautions (namely a standard containment vessel) could have been there, they were brushed aside more by Soviet confidence in there not being accidents than by an unwillingness to pay for them.
The CBC's National Magazine had Tom Clancy on last night, who seemed to think that based on what he's heard, most or all of the crew would be dead within a minute or two. Putin's now saying that he was told right at the outset by his military men that there was essentially no hope of survivors. (BTW, those Russian admirals have kewl hats).
Interestingly, radiographers in Norway have found no evidence of increased radioactivity in the Barent's sea, suggesting the crew probably had time to shut down the reactor after the accident.
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What are their subs in the water anyway? Its not like we're at war. What other purpose do they have except to move around in the water? What a waste.
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Amadeus: I really hope that you're using a form of dramatic irony to prove a point that I don't "get".
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If the subs aren't in the water, then there is no way for them to start/stop WWIII.
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Oh so only the US is allowed to have subs in the water now, Amadeus?
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