"Here's where it gets intereasting: the Sample Ballot was *not* the same as the actual ballot"
Well, the sample ballot I saw was different from our actual ballots, too. Should I sue?
"and it is possible that it is against Florida Election law to have the arrow, or dot, or whatever were you *mark* the ballot on the left side of the candidate's name, thereby making the ballot itself illegal ..."
No, it just requires that the mark be opposite the cantidate's name. Opposite is defined as: set over against something that is at the other end or side of an intervening line or space. The ballot fits this description.
"no one can deny that there is something *fishy* going"
Sure I can. People can deny anything that there's no evidence of.
"Florida itself has said (well, ok, the representatives of the state) that the election won't be certain until Sept. 17th, when the absentee ballots are counted"
Don't you mean November 17th? I don't want to wait THAT long.
"Omega, regarding the posts you made earlier: would the tie-breaking vote be cast by the *current* Vice President (Al Gore), or by the VP the Senate chooses?"
I assume this was meant for the other thread, but... assuming that the VP has the authority to break a tie in an appointal situation, then it'd of course be the one that was currently in office, namely Al. But then we have, what, 53 seats? Probably wouldn't be a tie.
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Did you read what TSN said? You're agreeing with him.
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1. The Republicans are not doing ANYTHING to 'drag out' this process. Only the Democrats are screaming like children who had their favorite toy taken away. True, Bush is putting together his 'transition team,' but that's an act of RERSPONSIBILITY, not arrogant presumption.
2. Last night, they gave the 'disputed' ballot to a SEVEN-year-old child. HE picked out Gore's spot IMMEDIATELY. There are frickin' ARROWS on each one, for chrissake! Only a true idiot or a blind person could have mistaken the ballot. (Of course, since these ballots were all supposedly meant for Gore... well... that would tell you something about the quality of Gore voters.)
3. The popular vote is constitutionally IRRELEVANT. GET OVER IT. If you don't like it, propose an Amendment. Nevertheless, it's too late to do anything about THIS election, legally, now.
4. After the upswing the economy's about to have under a Bush presidency, and once the truths start coming out about the real in-office history of the Clinton-Gore administration, I doubt Gore will be able to get elected DOGCATCHER anywhere, but we'll see.
5. The military absentee ballots will be for Bush, too.
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When the economy DROPS under Bush, well ... we'll see.
The truth will come out ... about Republican corruption within the Florida elections. And we'll see how the voters feel when Jeb Bush comes up for re-election ...
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Republicans: "Gore's whining & cheating! No recount! Bush won!"
Democrats: "Gore got more! The ballots were difficult to undertsand! Jeb's fixing for his brother!"
Common Sense: "Would you BOTH just shut the fuck UP, for Kaja's sake?!? JEEEsus! FLIP a fucking coin & let me get back to WORK, huh? Don't MAKE me come down there, kick ALL y'alls asses, & install MYSELf as leader..& don't think I WON'T! And if y'don't like it, you can suck my short fat hairy Kike CRANK!!"
This is why I'm SO glad I voted for John Sheridan....
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JK, once again, is making unfounded assumptions. Desperation does strange things to some people...
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I feel that it is far, far more likely that, given focus on recounts, Democratic ballot stuffing and questionable behaviour will 'come out' in far more than only Florida.
New York, Iowa, Oregon, California, Tennessee, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania (I live here, and believe me, it's a known factor, not a supposition, here.) have yet to be looked at seriously.
I wouldn't be suprised at all if you suddenly hear some change in the voices that really means "We won't glom onto Florida anymore if you promise not to look at our activities in other states..."
Because believe me, if the Dems claim fraud to invalidate Florida, the Reps WILL start ferretting it out elsewhere.
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First of Two, actually Senator Arlen Specter(R) of Pennsylvania has announced he plans on proposing an amendment that will call for the disbandment of the Electoral college on Monday. The electoral college was put up in the first place because during the 18th and 19th centuries, Americans were butt dumb and couldn't be counted on to vote for a competetant president. Anyway, it looks like a much-delayed piece of legislation to me.
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As nice as it would be to do away with the Electoral College...do realize what that would have meant in this case? It wouldn't have been just Florida that was recounted...it would've been the ENTIRE FRAGGIN' NATION.
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Well, one reason for the electoral college is that there's no such thing as a federal election. It's just a way to combine a bunch of little state elections.
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Really, I always thought the Electoral college was actually a concession to the conservative aristocracy of Early America so that democracy wouldnt run wild in the "mobocracy" of the masses. Although I guess it also keeps states from overwhelming eachother in a way.
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But that doesn't help. In fact, it makes things worse.
Personally, I think another reason for it was that it would have been flat-out impossible to count every single vote with the speed of communications in the eighteenth century.
I think the system needs an overhaul, but I also think that the popular vote is not the way to go. How 'bout something like the congress?
*thinks*
Say we have two electoral colleges. In one, each state gets, say, five electoral votes. The other is run exactly the way is is now. Whichever cantidate wins BOTH colleges wins. If you get a split, whoever got the higher popular vote wins, unless it's within, say, 1%. Then it goes to the congress like it does now.
Sound good?
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